RE: Why are believers still afraid of death?
February 12, 2018 at 4:19 pm
(This post was last modified: February 12, 2018 at 4:36 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Sure, and a great many theists argue against modern synth. That people argue against something isn't indicative of anything at all with regards to the truth status of the propositions in question.
It's "ultimate meaning", in any case..that you're angling for. There are a great many concepts of life's meaning that are thoroughly objective, you disagree with these in favor of some other god meaning you consider more important than any of them or subsuming all of them. Atheists ( commonly and mistakenly) accept your imprecise terminology and argue against god/ultimate meaning -as- objective meaning. This isn't the only subject in which this dynamic plays out.
Predictably, religion is the enemy of knowledge...even among the irreligious, and especially between the religious and irreligious.
It is a fact that our lives have meaning and value. This is all that is required for objective meaning. A statement that refers to some fact, and gets that fact right. There is no requirement of any singular fact, or that there are not many correlated facts. Exclusion of multiple referent facts is not a requirement of objective meaning. The sort of subjectivity you put in contraposition (and that many atheists accept in a reactionary fashion) is the meaningless subjectivity of having an opinion. Of preferring one objective meaning over another objective meaning. If we were being really consistent with this sloppy language, preferring god meaning over some other meaning..and assuming for the sake of discussion that there is god meaning, that it is a fact....you would be no less of a subjectivist than anyone else.
-but that doesn't seem to get it quite right, does it? Well, if you're no subjectivist for these shared reasons between you and atheists, then what are the chances that they are?
It's "ultimate meaning", in any case..that you're angling for. There are a great many concepts of life's meaning that are thoroughly objective, you disagree with these in favor of some other god meaning you consider more important than any of them or subsuming all of them. Atheists ( commonly and mistakenly) accept your imprecise terminology and argue against god/ultimate meaning -as- objective meaning. This isn't the only subject in which this dynamic plays out.
Predictably, religion is the enemy of knowledge...even among the irreligious, and especially between the religious and irreligious.
It is a fact that our lives have meaning and value. This is all that is required for objective meaning. A statement that refers to some fact, and gets that fact right. There is no requirement of any singular fact, or that there are not many correlated facts. Exclusion of multiple referent facts is not a requirement of objective meaning. The sort of subjectivity you put in contraposition (and that many atheists accept in a reactionary fashion) is the meaningless subjectivity of having an opinion. Of preferring one objective meaning over another objective meaning. If we were being really consistent with this sloppy language, preferring god meaning over some other meaning..and assuming for the sake of discussion that there is god meaning, that it is a fact....you would be no less of a subjectivist than anyone else.
-but that doesn't seem to get it quite right, does it? Well, if you're no subjectivist for these shared reasons between you and atheists, then what are the chances that they are?
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