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RE: Why are believers still afraid of death?
February 11, 2018 at 8:06 pm
(February 9, 2018 at 11:06 am)mlmooney89 Wrote: (February 9, 2018 at 8:52 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Why do atheist cry at funerals? If life is meaningless and there is nothing afterwords, then what does the non-believer have to fear (apart from the change and immediate loss I already mentioned)?
Um I think you are putting more on the word atheist than it deserves. That word just means we don't believe in a deity it doesn't automatically mean we think life is meaningless. The meaning of life is to survive and be happy. I know 100% without a doubt I am living a meaningful life working, helping others, loving my family, and now raising my child to be a good person.
Sorry, I would agree that there may be differences. I would also clarify that what I mean is an objective meaning, which in my experience a great many who describe themselves as atheists would argue against (although not all).
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RE: Why are believers still afraid of death?
February 12, 2018 at 4:19 pm
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Sure, and a great many theists argue against modern synth. That people argue against something isn't indicative of anything at all with regards to the truth status of the propositions in question.
It's "ultimate meaning", in any case..that you're angling for. There are a great many concepts of life's meaning that are thoroughly objective, you disagree with these in favor of some other god meaning you consider more important than any of them or subsuming all of them. Atheists ( commonly and mistakenly) accept your imprecise terminology and argue against god/ultimate meaning -as- objective meaning. This isn't the only subject in which this dynamic plays out.
Predictably, religion is the enemy of knowledge...even among the irreligious, and especially between the religious and irreligious.
It is a fact that our lives have meaning and value. This is all that is required for objective meaning. A statement that refers to some fact, and gets that fact right. There is no requirement of any singular fact, or that there are not many correlated facts. Exclusion of multiple referent facts is not a requirement of objective meaning. The sort of subjectivity you put in contraposition (and that many atheists accept in a reactionary fashion) is the meaningless subjectivity of having an opinion. Of preferring one objective meaning over another objective meaning. If we were being really consistent with this sloppy language, preferring god meaning over some other meaning..and assuming for the sake of discussion that there is god meaning, that it is a fact....you would be no less of a subjectivist than anyone else.
-but that doesn't seem to get it quite right, does it? Well, if you're no subjectivist for these shared reasons between you and atheists, then what are the chances that they are?
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RE: Why are believers still afraid of death?
February 12, 2018 at 4:26 pm
Because human instincts deep within just naturally knows they won't ever meet the dead person again, so it hurts like hell (emotionally) even though theyve been brainwashed to believe they'll meet the person again in heaven and their soul is still existing.
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RE: Why are believers still afraid of death?
February 12, 2018 at 4:30 pm
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It's a little more simplistic than that. People unnaturally fear and despise the opposite of that which they're most comfortable. I.E., darkness being the absence of light, same-sex attraction being the opposite of heterosexuality, death being the end of life.
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RE: Why are believers still afraid of death?
February 12, 2018 at 4:48 pm
With tens of thousands of schisms, I'd imagine all Christians otta be damned concerned about dying while supporting/attending the wrong one.
The Congregation of Jehovah's Presbytery of Zion excepted, of course.
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RE: Why are believers still afraid of death?
February 12, 2018 at 4:58 pm
And I don't help in regards to something else:
God specifically vowed to blot out all remembrance of the Amalekites (BTW, that's an odd bit to record in Scripture if you think about it for a minute) and I do tend to post about them from time to time here. Probably not good for ones odds of Salvation to have fresh remembrances of the Amalekites floating around in their heads when they are approaching those pearly gates.
Those damn Amalekites!
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RE: Why are believers still afraid of death?
February 12, 2018 at 5:05 pm
(February 9, 2018 at 8:33 am)Die Atheistin Wrote: If they think there is an afterlife then why do they fear death? In the case of christians, many of them believe in Hell, so this might explain it. But why do they still cry if a loved one dies who respected all the christian rules in their lifetime?
OBJECTION.
Believers do not fear death. They fear the Lord because it is the wise thing to do.
He can hear and see us when it pleases him or when he wants to  .
ps: Don't ask me about God as many atheists do, it's so frustrating... Ask God himself  Be prepared for the answer (1 sec - days)
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RE: Why are believers still afraid of death?
February 12, 2018 at 6:09 pm
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(February 12, 2018 at 4:48 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: With tens of thousands of schisms, I'd imagine all Christians otta be damned concerned about dying while supporting/attending the wrong one.
The Congregation of Jehovah's Presbytery of Zion excepted, of course.
Nope... I don’t.
Why do you think that should be the case?
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RE: Why are believers still afraid of death?
February 12, 2018 at 6:50 pm
Vor assumes that at least some of you actually care whether or not your sub-cult is the true cult. Silly, I know, none of you could care less, lol. 
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RE: Why are believers still afraid of death?
February 12, 2018 at 7:13 pm
Lotta people KNOW the Mormons got it all wrong.
Some schisms don't even get the number of nails used to crucify Jesus correct. They are all damned for denying the God's Holy Truth of the Crucifixion.
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