High school shooting in Parkland FL

[Thumpalumpacus]

Are you including suicides?

Yes. Should I not?

In this context, it strikes me as conflation. Of course, I think suicide should be a right anyway.

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If you can't just don't bring it up anymore , we all know who kills but is no way to change people so much in a short term so that is why a quick solution is in need.

That's silly. If you can't cure cancer stop researching it? When you have difficult issues, discussion is pretty much required.

Shouting people down doesn't solve anything.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_attack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_New_Y...uck_attack

When anything can be a weapon, we'd ought to spend our energy addressing causes rather than means. I mean, if you want to kill ants, you can stamp about the countryside all day long, or you can look for the hive.

The answer actually is: he would have slammed into brick or a concrete and nobody would've been hurt. Its easier to get a car rather than a gun (at least a tad) but he chose to use a gun. Guns are deadlier, easier, to kill, work better for the goals.

"Nobody would've been hurt" is distinctly overoptimistic. People get hurt in vehicle/building collisions. You're also assuming that he would not have expressed his murderous rage elsewhere. Of course guns are more efficient killing machines. My point is that too many people see further gun restrictions as a cure-all (see the 1234 guy above).

I can't think of a single reason that we have this problem other than WE HAVE SO MANY GUNS EVERYWHERE. It's common sense at this point.

Of course, we're in agreement about that. No need to go all-caps on me, bud.

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People are always quick to defend their precious little toys with the idea that "Anything can be used as a weapon!"

I don't own a gun, and I'm not defending anything, so bite me.

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... nor would it have happened 17 times in the past 47 days, a rate of more than two per week.

I posted a link above about that alleged statistic.