RE: High school shooting in Parkland FL
February 16, 2018 at 3:03 pm
(This post was last modified: February 16, 2018 at 3:16 pm by Thumpalumpacus.)
(February 16, 2018 at 1:56 pm)Aegon Wrote: Further legislation on access to firearms isn't going to (and isn't supposed to) stop murder or violent crime. Just lower the ease with which this type of violent crime can be committed and lower the rate at which they occur. Definitely is not the ultimate solution for why kids want to kill all their classmates.
Of course not. I just get frustrated when sensible voices get drowned out.
(February 16, 2018 at 1:56 pm)Aegon Wrote: I didn't mean to direct that second post at you. Forums feature to prevent double posting hooked them together.
No sweat, apologies for my misreading you.
(February 16, 2018 at 12:19 pm)Divinity Wrote:(February 16, 2018 at 11:30 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I don't own a gun, and I'm not defending anything, so bite me.
If you're not defending guns, okay then. Thanks for clarification. However, those that present those types of sentiments tend to prefer to deflect the issue without providing any solutions. They'll cry about mental health, they'll cry about video games, they'll cry about movies, anything to deflect from guns--when guns are definitely a part of the problem. I'm so sick of hearing about these mass shootings. My heart was SHATTERED when I heard about the Sandy Hook shootings. Fuck, my heart was shattered when I heard about Columbine. But Sandy Hook was an absolute breaking point. These were little kids that got killed, little kids and their teachers. Just going about their day. Just like the people in Aurora, the people at the Pulse Night Club, and the people in Las Vegas. It frustrates me to no end that we refuse to do fuck all about it. And I'm sick of it. We live in a country where you can't take a fucking water bottle on an airplane. You can't possess a certain amount of a goddamn plant without being locked up in jail for life. But these kids get killed... and our politicians do nothing more than send their fucking thoughts and prayers. We have an entire organization dedicated to not just making sure that citizens can own guns, but to make sure there is ZERO burden on anyone wanting to buy any gun they want (unless it's a Smart gun, of course). These kids are 14-15 years old. Not even old enough to drive yet. These are kids born after 9/11. Kids who woke up, went to school, and expected to come home that day. They probably had plans for the weekend. Maybe even for Valentine's Day. The presents they got from last Christmas are still pretty new. They probably had dreams of going to college, making something of their life. They had friends, parents, siblings. Now their parents have to mourn their kids. And honestly it isn't any better when it's adults being shot either. Those are parents, teachers, friends, brothers, sisters... Kids aren't where I want to draw the line. Kids are just past the line. Way past acceptable. I'm frustrated, and I'm tired, and I want us to fucking do something. I'm tired of doing nothing. Nothing isn't working.
Believe me -- I'm tired of this conversation, too. We're in complete agreement there. This conversation should not be happening in a civilized society, especially after so many recurrences.
I'd like to see mandatory smart guns -- if you're manufacturing guns, they must by law be biometrically keyed to the purchaser, who must pass criminal and mental-health background checks upon purchase, and at regular, stipulated intervals after that.
Coupled with that, I'd like to see a sunset law on dumb guns forbidding their transfer in any form -- gift, resale, or loaning -- except a government buyback upon the owner's death, whereupon it would be destroyed.
I think such a program would work to reduce not only the number of these incidents, but also work to counter our firearms death rate as a whole, because so many murders here arise from guns which don't belong to the shooter.
(February 16, 2018 at 12:52 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote: I skipped this one sorry. It's not about a cure for all , this is a topic about SHOOTINGS , the best way to reduce SHOOTINGS is to gave stricter gun laws.
It's not my fault that you and more guys on this topic went off topic to human condition and violence , wich are things that are beeing taclked for a long long time but somehow you will solve the problem in a few days , but please teach me master.
If you'd like a decent discussion, you can shitcan the sarcasm, and strawmanning. Let me know when you're ready for that.
