RE: Christianity Is The BEST Religion....
February 19, 2018 at 10:11 pm
(This post was last modified: February 19, 2018 at 10:15 pm by polymath257.)
(February 19, 2018 at 7:54 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(February 19, 2018 at 7:38 pm)polymath257 Wrote: Don't teach your grandmother how to suck eggs. Mass and energy are related, with the rest mass of an object having an equivalent energy which, when added to the other energy *is* conserved. But, as I said, energy can be converted to mass and vice versa.*Emphasis mine*
From *your* article:
Matter is composed of such things as atoms, electrons, neutrons, and protons. It has intrinsic or rest mass. In the limited range of recognized experience of the nineteenth century it was found that such rest mass is conserved. Einstein's 1905 theory of special relativity showed that it corresponds to an equivalent amount of rest energy. This means that it can be converted to or from equivalent amounts of other (non-material) forms of energy, for example kinetic energy, potential energy, and electromagnetic radiant energy. When this happens, as recognized in twentieth century experience, rest mass is not conserved, unlike the mass or total energy. All forms of energy contribute to the total mass and total energy.
Even this fails in general relativity. Again, from *your* article:
In general relativity, energy–momentum conservation is not well-defined except in certain special cases. Energy-momentum is typically expressed with the aid of a stress–energy–momentum pseudotensor. However, since pseudotensors are not tensors, they do not transform cleanly between reference frames. If the metric under consideration is static (that is, does not change with time) or asymptotically flat (that is, at an infinite distance away spacetime looks empty), then energy conservation holds without major pitfalls. In practice, some metrics such as the Friedmann–Lemaître–Robertson–Walker metric do not satisfy these constraints and energy conservation is not well defined.[23] The theory of general relativity leaves open the question of whether there is a conservation of energy for the entire universe.
Now, you did not address the central question: that life is NOT a type of energy. So it is not conserved. Life is a *process* of conversion of energy. Such processes can stop without violating conservation of energy. In essence, whatever energy is *associated* with life is dissipated as heat (a form of energy).
I simply stated that "energy cannot be created or destroyed" which you clearly did not agree with, since you stated that it could be destroyed...
Transformation does not equate to destruction.
In a nuclear bomb, a small bit of mass is converted into energy. In nuclear reactions, it is common for energy to be converted into mass.
You were claiming that life is a form of energy and hence would have to be conserved. But, if it is *transformed* into, say, heat, or chemical energy, that is quite enough to satisfy the conservation of energy. So the conservation of energy has *nothing* to do with whether life comes from life.
Furthermore, because of the aspects of general relativity (see above), it isn't possible, often, to even define a 'total energy'. This is one of the reasons it is possible to get a 'universe from nothing'.
(February 19, 2018 at 8:11 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(February 19, 2018 at 8:03 pm)Whateverist Wrote: But Huggs, isn't that what you believe too? Unless you think God is a kind of life, i.e., biologically based being.
Nope, if God is light, that makes him energy, which makes life energy, which means that life has always existed. Does not the Bible state that before the world was even made the the sons of God shouted for joy?
Nope. Even if energy has always existed, that doesn't mean *life* has always existed. First, since life isn't a form of energy. Second, because there is no guarantee energy will stay the same *type* of energy. Life converting into heat, or electrical energy would be just as good.
Also, light sn't a supernatural entity. It is an electromagnetic wave. So, unless you are lcaiming your deity is an electromagnetic wave, your deity cannot be light.
Finally, light isn't, itself, a form of energy. It *has* energy, just like mass does. But it is not, itself energy. It has other properties than just its energy, like its momentum and angular momentum.
In other words, you have terribly confused God, light, energy, and life. None of the four is equal to any of the others.