High school shooting in Parkland FL

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I think the whole gun control thing would be more compelling if so much of it wasn't disingenuous.

Well at least you're being genuine about lacking empathy for the victims of tragedy, I guess.  I'll give you that.  It makes you come across like an asshole.  But at least you're being genuine.

The likelihood of being killed in a mass shooting is irrelevant.  The fact is: This doesn't happen in other countries.  It doesn't happen in Australia.  It doesn't happen in Canada, or France.  It doesn't happen in Sweden, or Norway.  It doesn't happen in Germany.  Certainly not at the rate it does here.

Maybe you're okay with 20 some kids being murdered every now and again, as long as people keep the right to bear arms.  After all, as long as it's not your blood, what do you care?  You'll (disingenuously I might add) point to traffic accidents as if every country on earth dosen't have them at around the same rate we do.  You'll ignore the fact that people are trained in the operation of a vehicle, and must prove themselves to be able to drive them.

I'm not okay with it.  This doesn't happen in other countries.  Because they don't worship guns like this country does.  I know we'll never do anything because of people like you.  People who can look at victims as nothing but a numbers game.  "It was only TWENTY kids who died in Sandy Hook.  The chances of dying are small!"  You know what?  It's funny you mention that.  The chances of someone breaking into your home?  Yeah, that's unlikely too.  But your side will fight to the death over their right to own a killing machine so they can 'defend their home' from an intruder who's probably only interested in their television in the first place.  And of course these same people are SO worried about home safety, that they surely have the best security systems they can get, right?  Oh right, they don't.  So don't talk to me about disingenuous.  I wonder how you'd feel if your kid was one of the ones killed.  Would you then state "Oh it was only ONE Kid!"  Would you let your kid trade places with one of those, if it meant keeping the right to bear arms? 

And that's not to even mention all the irresponsible gun owners who let their children get their hands on guns, and end up killing people before they're 4 years old. 

I don't blame those kids for wanting to march against guns.  I'm sure you and the people like you hate it, because it draws attention against your cause.  You don't care that they've lost friends.  Why would you?  Your friends (namely the metallic ones) are what you care about.  Chances are you'll never have to use a gun to defend yourself.  Chances are your home will never be broken into.  But you don't care about those chances.  Just the ones that fit your narrative, and your agenda.

This is the problem, you ask for an honest debate on the subject, and are accused of having a lack of empathy for dead children. Which is really just another emotional argument.

I'm undecided on gun control, I think there is a lot of misleading propaganda on both sides. Pointing out that murders, suicides and accidents don't belong in a single misleading statistic called 'gun violence' has NOTHING to do with the empathy or lack there of for dead children.

It has to do with trying to have a real discussion on the subject and coming to real solutions. The left is it's own worst enemy when it comes to guns, gun sales were at record highs under Obama, and have dropped dramatically under Trump.

When the left just entrenched in its own position, calls normal people on the right child killers, uses misleading stats, fear mongers over mass shootings. What do you think the right is going to do?

They entrench in their own positions too and repeat all their own stupid arguments about guns making people safer, blah blah blah. Obviously guns don't make people safer. If an armed person tried to rob me, I will give them my stuff. Getting in a shootout doesn't make you safer.

This is the reason that this problem never goes anywhere in the U.S. neither side wants to have a productive discussion with the other. Sadly I don't really see that changing. Certainly accusing the people you need to work with (gun owners) of lacking empathy for murdered children isn't going to help.