RE: Rebellion against god
February 20, 2018 at 5:16 am
(This post was last modified: February 20, 2018 at 6:07 am by Banned.)
(February 18, 2018 at 12:54 am)Astreja Wrote: Even with specific identifying traits, I think it's impossible to know if any being actually is a god, or just a god-like being playing at being a god. This is why I'm a strong agnostic: I don't see any way for us to see beyond outward appearances to find out what something "really" is, and in fact a god-like being might not be capable of knowing its own true nature.
(February 16, 2018 at 11:11 pm)Banned Wrote: Does the victim (no longer a victim thanks to an equalizing force field) have control over this, or is it automatic, like an animal's response?
Automatic, to prevent backstabbing and other stealth attacks. The individual would have to consciously override the feature, although it's hard to conceive of a situation for which they would want to expose themselves to harm.
I like your answer to that, (the first one) - it's quite profound.
Even if gods are subject to self delusion, we assume that it is possible to have a non deceptive transparent truth, simply by contrast.
It is understandable why some people fall in love with maths, as a rule for reality, or with a system of measuring the world around us... that science offers to a degree.
Humans desire functionality and dependability, out of necessity.
About the automatic defense systems for the innocent, you've made a point which is too big for me to answer.
I would say that most people would agree that the good side has the right to annihilate the evil with equal if not greater force. (US defense force tactic).
Sometimes we see it and sometimes we don't, and when we don't we shake our heads and say there couldn't be a God because of injustice, or because justice is not served soon enough.
(February 18, 2018 at 1:09 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Pure evil can no more disguise itself as good . Then absolute heat could disguise itself as absolute zero . Anymore then pure blackness could pass itself off as pure white . Anymore the shadow could pass itself off as the sun . And mean could love pure evil because there is nothing to love . And mean could only love perfect good because their would be nothing one could hate. And if pure evil came it would appear as obvious as a black spot on a pure white canvas . and no magic charm or deception could mask perfect evil . Nor could any such magic prevent one from gravitating towards perfect good . Because every reason to love and follow good would come with it revealing. And every reason to wholly reject evil would come with it's appearance .
I totally agree, and by saying that pure evil can no more disguise itself... I assume that you are saying that there comes a time when it is either exposed or it exposes itself.
What if the evil was so well masqueraded that it takes a long time to come undone?
For instance like the growing number of cases of 'perfect crimes' - which are being exposed after decades in the file?
People don't see any justice until the cases are solved, but they never believe that justice doesn't exist, only it isn't happening. And that is really difficult to live with, especially if the innocent are being totally misrepresented.
When both sides are clearly seen and understood, and there is no more misapprehension - then yes, there is no mistake about it, but how long is it possible for people to not know the truth about something - it happens all the time?
(February 18, 2018 at 7:53 am)Cyberman Wrote: Which is the more convincing - the god that shows up with the potential to be falsified, or the god that never shows up and it's everyone else's fault?
What about the God who used to be around, but was betrayed by those who were supposed to be loyal?
What reality did Cain choose when he killed his brother Able?
Was Cain entitled to have a view? Yes.
Was the murderer given protection from God, from revenge killings?
Strangely yes. That is strange. What was God thinking? Or was Cain to be given a complete chance to repent?
Or was it a punishment by making him live with his hideous past?
The same issues came up when Lucifer started a rebellion in heaven. God spared him.
(February 18, 2018 at 2:41 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: No, he's worse. He's a seventh day adventist.
A bitter little reprobate is hardly a gentleman. I wonder what you sold your birthright for?
You can't be very proud of yourself.
(February 18, 2018 at 3:02 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Now we're getting somewhere. As Astreja said, even if something superhuman shows up, and say, claims to be YHWH, how will we know that it is what it claims to be? "Q" from Star Trek could show up. (I hope not, though, he was rather nasty.) And yet people claim to KNOW and have telepathic communication with God solely based on group psychosis and descriptions of it contained in an ancient, deeply flawed compilation of fables. And they are quite certain that their particular compilation of myths is TRUTH, and all competing beliefs and deities (and often, even competing interpretations of the same myths!) are pitiable delusions.
I will hold that ALL stories about deities are myth and fantasy until presented with concrete evidence, and then that evidence will require some testing.
You deserve concrete evidence, because you want it, you will get it, and you ought to test it, as often as needed.
(February 18, 2018 at 3:11 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: Your gawd, if it were to exist, in it's omniscience and onmipotence would know exactly what it would take to convince each and every one of us of it's existence, without violating our "free will." The fact that it has never bothered speaks volumes more that you can ever type here about it's existence.
It's mostly extra-biblical bullshit dreamed up (or cribbed from "Paradise Lost") by Ellen White. Banned isn't a christer, he's a Whitist.
God will only give what he gets from you, no one will force the door to your mind.
It's up to you what you want to do.
