(February 20, 2018 at 1:51 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(February 20, 2018 at 10:51 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: There is strong evidence that there was no biological life before the Hadean period. For much of the time before that, life as we know it would be impossible. Once life as we know it became possible, we see the beginnings of fossil evidence for single-celled organisms. Life began, somehow. How does that 'violate reality'?
No one is disputing the fact that "life began somehow", the dispute is on whether or not life arose from non-life. Life only comes from life, that IS the reality. You cannot find one example in nature that proves otherwise.
If you're going by examples in nature, the adage specifically refers to biological life only coming from biological life. Are you saying God is a biological (based on organic chemistry) life form? Or are you just using whatever sayings you think support your position without any regard to what they actually mean? The life from life rule was derived from figuring out that current life forms don't spontaneously generate from inanimate matter. It has no implications for the ultimate beginning of life. There was obviously at least one exception to the rule, even in your own scenario, unless you think God was some guy in a lab coat.
(February 19, 2018 at 6:36 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: If I kept my cellphone supplied with fresh batteries and parts, yes it would last forever. A dead human is a dead human, no matter how young, or regardless of replacing any parts... so much for humans simply being just "chemistry".
I've got an axe I'll sell you for $50. It used to belong to Abraham Lincoln, so it ought to be worth millions. We only changed out the axe head three times and the handle five times, but it's the same axe, honest.
(February 20, 2018 at 1:51 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(February 20, 2018 at 10:51 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: A fact is something known to be true. Not everything that is true is a fact. It is a fact that coelacanths still exist.*emphasis mine*
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/true
true
1. In accordance with fact or reality.
(February 20, 2018 at 10:51 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: It was true that they were real before we knew it for a fact.
Really? So you're saying something could be true without any evidence?
Absolutely. There are doubtless untold numbers of things that are true that we don't have any facts about. But it would have been stupid to believe coelacanths were still around before there was evidence for it, wouldn't it? You could as easily have believed sea scorpions are still around somewhere. It's possible. But it's not a smart bet. There's very little you can't believe based on 'we can't be sure it's not true'.
(February 20, 2018 at 1:51 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(February 20, 2018 at 10:51 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Abiogenesis in the biological sense is a hypothesis that is difficult to test. It meets all the requirements for a hypothesis in that it is a plausible explanation that fits what we already know to be true and there are no known mechanisms that would prevent it from being true.*emphasis mine*
But it is a fact that at one point there was no life on earth, that it must have started somehow, and the earliest detectable organisms were single-celled.
That's a lie, because if there was nothing stopping abiogenesis from happening then it would happen...
The bolded is an excellent reason to think it did happen. You're so smart!
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.