Man Named 'Tiffany' Is Dominating Women's Pro Volleyball in Brazil

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As a competitive athlete (track and field) myself, this is one place where people definitely need to be slotted by their biological sex. I think track is a good sport for comparison, because the men's and woman's performances can be measured totally quantitatively and are very distinct. Look at the results of any track meet and you'll see that the men's and women's performances are clearly separate categories, and even a slow male athlete would easily win the women's division.

I've always loved the extremely close competition in track (like, a good race can easily come down to a 100th of a second... I've even won a race by 1/1000th of a second), and while I train with guys and run against them in practice, there would be no competition if sexes were combined. The margins are so tight that women would be unable to qualify for any tournaments. Let alone in the runs, but in the throwing events? The simple reason is that women biologically have less muscle than men, even with the same amount of training.

If I were competing in a track meet and there were a trans woman in my section, I and every other competitor and coach would be extremely pissed off. It would completely ruin the race. It's has nothing to do with being trans-phobic, it's just a matter of biology.

Lol that's where you're wrong,
trans women =/= men dressing up as women.
Seriously. Half the debate would be solved if everyone was on the same page. For those of you that aren't up to date, the only issue remaining is whether the trans women are weakened enough to the level of a normal women in order to compete, I'd trust the medical professionals on that but apparently some people think they need to be much further weakened, they don't know up to what degree but probably up to a degree where it's impossible for them to win anything.

You still can't really compensate for all physiological differences, like the fact that women have wider hips, higher body fat content, or are naturally shorter. These are very important to consider when you're at a high level of sport!

The thought of intentionally 'weakening' an athlete is cruel. It goes so strongly against the nature of competitive sport. I can give it some more thought when I have more time, because I've never thought of this academically. I'm just going on pure common sense from ~10 years of competing, and my understanding of the whole spirit of competitive athletics. I haven't read the whole thread, but has anyone provided an actual academic study on the effect of hormone treatment on a man's athletic capability? I think that would be relevant here. I can search academic journals about this later today if no one else has something credible.

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As a competitive athlete (track and field) myself, this is one place where people definitely need to be slotted by their biological sex. I think track is a good sport for comparison, because the men's and woman's performances can be measured totally quantitatively and are very distinct. Look at the results of any track meet and you'll see that the men's and women's performances are clearly separate categories, and even a slow male athlete would easily win the women's division.

I've always loved the extremely close competition in track (like, a good race can easily come down to a 100th of a second... I've even won a race by 1/1000th of a second), and while I train with guys and run against them in practice, there would be no competition if sexes were combined. The margins are so tight that women would be unable to qualify for any tournaments. Let alone in the runs, but in the throwing events? The simple reason is that women biologically have less muscle than men, even with the same amount of training.

If I were competing in a track meet and there were a trans woman in my section, I and every other competitor and coach would be extremely pissed off. It would completely ruin the race. It's has nothing to do with being trans-phobic, it's just a matter of biology.

I made my post about how we trained with the guys in running *before* I saw this post lol.

I think as runners we definitely have a better awareness of the biophysical differences between men and women, athletically, because we train together and because we can measure someone's ability exactly since it's all measured by time.

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Yes, exactly. It's like the two categories train relatively the same, but margins in track are so refined that it wouldn't make any sense at all to run them together at all in competition. Since it's measured so precisely, the difference becomes clear.

Out of curiosity, what track events do/did you compete in? I think you said you ran cross country, so I'm assuming long or middle distance?