(March 2, 2018 at 12:45 pm)Hammy Wrote:(March 2, 2018 at 12:29 pm)Khemikal Wrote: We certainly don't know that we're conscious "in the traditional sense"...we know that the vast majority of traditional descriptions were..at the very least.......meaningfully inaccurate.
[You appear to be replying to me as if I'm Rob or something... which is odd. Lol.]
See, this just shows how confused you are. OF COURSE we know that we're conscious in the tradtional sense. It's the ONLY thing we know. We can't even talk about knowledge without talking about awareness/consciousness.
You don't know what you're talking about if you think consciousness in the traditional sense isn't known. It's all science even studies: phenomena.
I think I'm done with this convo if you can't even accept that you know that seeming to you is seeming to you. You may as well be another one of those guys arguing that 2+2=5 in another universe. Those morons who thinks Science is above all including the very axioms that science is fucking based on.
Would a p-zombie be able to talk meaningfully about consciousness? Wouldn't the fact that they *think* they are conscious mean, by your reasoning, that they are? And doesn't that show the impossibility of p-zombies?
