RE: Fear of hell, advice please
March 7, 2018 at 10:20 am
(This post was last modified: March 7, 2018 at 10:21 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(March 7, 2018 at 4:34 am)orthodox-man Wrote: guys, I have read some of the Japanese accounts, they are very similar to Christian ones, but usually consist of no deities. I also read a search for Muslim NDEs by Kreps, where he collects a few, but even he says he would have expected many meetings with Muhammad in these NDEs as people report dreams with him or visions of him, so again, I don't get why they cannot hallucinate him. How can you guys be so confident these NDEs are not real?So, perhaps the japanese accounts are the accurate ones..and there are no gods?
As to the other q, take a look at this response to rik, here;
(March 7, 2018 at 5:38 am)Cod Wrote: NDE's are real experiences....
-notice that Cod, for example..takes the existence of these experiences for granted. The trouble is this, simply having an experience is not a guarantee of the accuracy of it's contents. There's a certain futility in posing the question "how can you guys be so confident these NDEs are not real" to a bunch of people who take the reality of their existence for granted.
You don't have to argue NDE's or NDE accounts into existence. You are dealing with people who do not think that they accurately report on their respective subjects. Cod goes on to consider them meaningless, in that a much more mundane and better attested to cause(s) for the existence of those experiences exists.
The only difference between a world in which nde's exist and a world in which nde's are accurate...is that in one of those worlds people go flitting around the known and unknown universe unattached to their bodies, and in the other...people "see" shit.
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