Republidertarianazi shows off his thinking skills

[Tiberius]

But you will gladly benefit from the collective society. So let me get this strait, you enjoy prospering and profiting from the collective, but you dont want to put back into it, because you are an 'individualist"? Surely, since you are an "indvidualist", you must be living up in the mountains, producing your own food, and cloting, and electricity. You see, I dont buy that crap not for a single second. You are VERY aware that you are in the midst of a collective, but yet claim you are individualist.

Being an individualist means I oppose collectivist interference on how I want to live my own life. It means I can do what I want, as long as it doesn't interfere with the freedoms and rights of those around me.

Being an individualist does not mean I have to shun society, nor does it mean I don't have to benefit from it or refuse to put back into it. You have a very skewed view of individualism if you think that is the case. It would be like me saying that collectivism means everyone is told what to think, and the government / society has total control over what they do.

If you HONESTLY believe you are individualist, and dispise the collective..then SEVER yourself from the collective right now. Surely the best way to show your support for individualism..dont you think?

If you honestly think putting up strawmen is a good way of going about this conversation, I think we'd best end it here. You know that is not what individualism is about, and if you honestly don't, then please go read the Wikipedia article or something before continuing.

Oh, its not childish and I am dead serious. At first I didnt like Min posting it either, then I had MANY months to think about it. Min is VERY correct and justified is using it. American Nazi's vote right wing politics. They vote republicans. Libertarians make a BIG show about how they are a third party, but then they all send out invitations to join the teaparty and vote Republican. And of course Republicans, vote Republican. For every one libertarian that votes for Tim Pawlenty "because of his economic views..not his social views", there are dozens of racist Nazi types who vote for Tim as well as the Theocratic types. Of course, they vote for Tim because they like his economic AND social views.

Only according to Wikipedia, the Libertarian Party in the US has 225,000 registered members [1], and Bob Barr managed to get over 500,000 votes in the United States Presidential Election 2008 [2]. Now I don't have the statistics on how many of those party member actually voted for their party, but I'd wager a fair amount that it was most of them. Unless you have any evidence to the contrary, I think you should retract your statement that Libertarians vote Republican.

So, let me guess..You think Sarah Palin is a dumb bitch..but you like her Economic views and would have gladly voted for her as vice president?

I've already answered that question. The answer was no. Did you eve read my post properly? I said that there have been no Republican candidates that I've supported, and that includes John McCain & Sarah Palin. In 2008 I supported Bob Barr, but like I said, if I was forced to choose between Obama and McCain, I would have voted for Obama, even now.

Stop acting so naive.. you know those fascist types are voting right wing economics just like you do. You are in the same voting group as they are, and stop trying to act like you do not know that.

I'm also in the same voting group as socialists on social issues. What is your point? Being in the same "voting group" for one issue doesn't mean you are in the same "voting group" for another issue. Things aren't black and white when it comes to politics. There are plenty of different issue to vote over.

You know the fascists dont vote for their third party over there anymore than the libertarians vote for the libertarian party here in America.

Actually the voting figures suggest that they do. The BNP got a large number of votes in the UK (not enough to win anything, but enough to know there are people who vote for them).

Libertarians vote Republican over here. Who do the Fascist/Nazis in your country REALLY vote for...and be honest.

I've already shown you that over 500,000 Libertarians voted Libertarian. Fascists and Nazis vote for Fascists and Nazis; why on earth would they vote for anyone else? You aren't making any sense.

So what you are telling me is that you are a VERY RARE libertarian. you are telling me that you would vote your Libertarian party here in America?

I'm telling you I'm a Libertarian. I vote according to Libertarian values. I don't see the point in calling yourself a Libertarian if you aren't going to vote for Libertarian values. In fact, I'd say that if you don't vote according to Libertarian values, you aren't a Libertarian in the first place. You've heard of RINOs right? Well perhaps a lot of "Libertarians" over there are LINOs.

In fact, when it comes to American Libertarianism, you arent really even a libertarian. Because "Libertarian" in America = Glen Beck and Sarah Palin voter. Dont tell me they arent "real" Libertarians. They ARE the voice of American Libertarianism...even the Libertarian Party website praises these people, and encourages their membership to attend their rallies and vote for them, join their tea parties.

But they aren't real Libertarians. This isn't some "no true Scotsman" fallacy; this is the real deal. You can't call yourself a vegetarian if you eat meat, and you can't call yourself a Libertarian if you support policies which fly in the face of Libertarianism. I know for a fact that the Libertarian Party always backs it's own members before any others; so don't try to put that one past me. If there are actual Libertarian candidates in the race, they get the full support of the Libertarian party. Lots of third parties however support candidates from other "mainstream" parties when they do not have any candidates in the race. This is so that their members can vote for the "next best" candidate, rather than wasting their vote somewhere else.

Are you suggesting that I am NOT currently having a decent conversation with you? American Libertarians vote in lines with Republicans and fascists/Nazis in America, and until you admit that, you will never understand and keep getting upset when it is mentioned.

Not when you won't accept that there is a big difference between people calling themselves "libertarian" and people actually being "libertarian". It's quite simple to understand; but I think you purposefully don't want to "get it" because you want to be able to equate libertarianism with Nazism, even though the two ideologies are at opposite ends of the political spectrum.

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You'll have to pick another name.

No. We already lost the word "liberal" (which used to mean the same thing as Libertarianism). I'm not prepared to lose the word "Libertarian" because a bunch of fascists and republicans think they can hijack it to win more votes.

The word is defined in the dictionary if you want to look up what it means. The movement is defined in numerous manifestos if you want to see what we support. If a candidate doesn't support the same things we do, then they are not Libertarian, even if they say they are.