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RE: Big Bang theory is not valid.
September 1, 2011 at 11:56 am
Quote:No silly, that you still have not grasped I'm not a creationist so to speak


If you are a "deist" as you claim to be then you ARE a creationist...at least in the sense that you think a 'god' is needed to get things started, ( i.e. to create.)

Why not give up on the Big Bang for a while and go figure out what it means to be a "deist?"
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Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 29, 2011 at 10:39 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 29, 2011 at 10:41 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Minimalist - August 29, 2011 at 10:49 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Cinjin - August 29, 2011 at 10:54 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by popeyespappy - August 29, 2011 at 10:59 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Erinome - September 2, 2011 at 7:11 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 29, 2011 at 10:57 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Cinjin - August 29, 2011 at 11:08 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 29, 2011 at 11:11 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 29, 2011 at 10:50 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Minimalist - August 29, 2011 at 10:53 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Violet - August 29, 2011 at 10:54 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 29, 2011 at 11:04 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Violet - August 29, 2011 at 11:09 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 29, 2011 at 11:02 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 29, 2011 at 11:08 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Jackalope - August 29, 2011 at 11:25 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by theVOID - August 29, 2011 at 11:28 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 29, 2011 at 11:39 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by theVOID - August 29, 2011 at 11:48 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 29, 2011 at 11:58 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by theVOID - August 30, 2011 at 12:15 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by popeyespappy - August 29, 2011 at 11:33 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 29, 2011 at 11:42 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by popeyespappy - August 29, 2011 at 11:58 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 30, 2011 at 12:08 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by theVOID - August 29, 2011 at 11:59 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 29, 2011 at 11:11 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 29, 2011 at 11:19 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by theVOID - August 29, 2011 at 11:22 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 29, 2011 at 11:28 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by theVOID - August 29, 2011 at 11:41 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 29, 2011 at 11:23 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 29, 2011 at 11:29 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 29, 2011 at 11:51 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 29, 2011 at 11:48 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 29, 2011 at 11:52 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Minimalist - August 29, 2011 at 11:53 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 30, 2011 at 12:01 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 29, 2011 at 11:59 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 30, 2011 at 12:04 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 30, 2011 at 12:11 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Cinjin - August 30, 2011 at 12:57 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Violet - August 30, 2011 at 12:59 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Epimethean - August 30, 2011 at 2:14 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by CoxRox - August 30, 2011 at 5:43 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by paintpooper - August 30, 2011 at 5:52 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 30, 2011 at 5:54 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by paintpooper - August 30, 2011 at 6:31 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Welsh cake - August 30, 2011 at 6:00 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 30, 2011 at 6:09 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 30, 2011 at 8:12 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by popeyespappy - August 30, 2011 at 11:22 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 31, 2011 at 12:34 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Epimethean - August 31, 2011 at 1:10 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by theVOID - August 31, 2011 at 2:21 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by leo-rcc - August 31, 2011 at 4:13 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Welsh cake - August 31, 2011 at 5:08 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 31, 2011 at 6:19 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Citereh - August 31, 2011 at 8:23 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 31, 2011 at 9:21 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by theVOID - August 31, 2011 at 9:31 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Tiberius - August 31, 2011 at 2:11 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Napoléon - August 31, 2011 at 3:21 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Faith No More - August 31, 2011 at 9:36 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Anomalocaris - August 31, 2011 at 12:52 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Citereh - August 31, 2011 at 9:39 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Welsh cake - August 31, 2011 at 11:03 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 31, 2011 at 11:52 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Shell B - September 3, 2011 at 11:13 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 4, 2011 at 12:58 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Shell B - September 4, 2011 at 1:12 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 4, 2011 at 1:22 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Shell B - September 4, 2011 at 1:33 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 4, 2011 at 1:43 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Shell B - September 7, 2011 at 12:36 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 1:41 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 31, 2011 at 2:08 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by theVOID - August 31, 2011 at 10:12 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 31, 2011 at 2:18 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Citereh - August 31, 2011 at 2:21 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 2:32 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 31, 2011 at 2:47 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 3:08 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 31, 2011 at 3:18 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 3:21 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 31, 2011 at 3:31 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Napoléon - August 31, 2011 at 3:33 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Napoléon - August 31, 2011 at 3:23 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 3:23 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Napoléon - August 31, 2011 at 3:26 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by CoxRox - August 31, 2011 at 3:32 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 31, 2011 at 3:36 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 3:42 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 31, 2011 at 3:46 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 3:50 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 31, 2011 at 3:54 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 3:55 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 31, 2011 at 4:01 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 4:03 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 31, 2011 at 4:18 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 4:21 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Anomalocaris - August 31, 2011 at 4:30 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by CoxRox - August 31, 2011 at 4:30 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Minimalist - August 31, 2011 at 4:35 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 31, 2011 at 4:57 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 4:35 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by CoxRox - August 31, 2011 at 4:51 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 5:03 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by CoxRox - August 31, 2011 at 5:06 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 5:06 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by CoxRox - August 31, 2011 at 5:10 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 31, 2011 at 5:17 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Napoléon - August 31, 2011 at 5:23 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 31, 2011 at 5:26 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Anomalocaris - August 31, 2011 at 6:05 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 31, 2011 at 7:00 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Jaysyn - September 1, 2011 at 1:46 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 1, 2011 at 2:16 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by LastPoet - September 1, 2011 at 2:21 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Jaysyn - September 1, 2011 at 6:10 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by theVOID - August 31, 2011 at 11:48 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 5:13 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by CoxRox - August 31, 2011 at 5:18 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - August 31, 2011 at 5:21 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Anomalocaris - August 31, 2011 at 6:26 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 5:22 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 5:28 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by CoxRox - August 31, 2011 at 6:19 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Minimalist - August 31, 2011 at 6:41 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2011 at 7:34 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Welsh cake - September 1, 2011 at 12:57 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Napoléon - September 1, 2011 at 6:26 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Minimalist - September 1, 2011 at 11:56 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 1, 2011 at 12:23 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by theVOID - September 2, 2011 at 12:20 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Minimalist - September 1, 2011 at 12:45 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 1, 2011 at 12:55 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Minimalist - September 1, 2011 at 12:58 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 1, 2011 at 1:17 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Anomalocaris - September 1, 2011 at 1:24 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by popeyespappy - September 1, 2011 at 2:27 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by LastPoet - September 1, 2011 at 2:14 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 1, 2011 at 2:21 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by frankiej - September 1, 2011 at 2:32 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by LastPoet - September 1, 2011 at 2:34 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Napoléon - September 1, 2011 at 2:39 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by CoxRox - September 1, 2011 at 2:26 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2011 at 2:37 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by paintpooper - September 1, 2011 at 2:41 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2011 at 2:43 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by CoxRox - September 1, 2011 at 4:44 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Anomalocaris - September 1, 2011 at 5:19 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 1, 2011 at 7:05 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Autumnlicious - September 1, 2011 at 7:55 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 1, 2011 at 8:21 pm
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RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 1, 2011 at 8:42 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by popeyespappy - September 2, 2011 at 1:48 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2011 at 9:09 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 1, 2011 at 9:27 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Napoléon - September 2, 2011 at 12:48 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Autumnlicious - September 1, 2011 at 9:17 pm
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RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 1, 2011 at 9:35 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Autumnlicious - September 1, 2011 at 9:56 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Epimethean - September 2, 2011 at 12:43 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 2, 2011 at 12:46 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 2, 2011 at 1:11 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Napoléon - September 2, 2011 at 1:14 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Napoléon - September 2, 2011 at 1:50 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by LastPoet - September 2, 2011 at 2:34 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 2, 2011 at 6:13 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Napoléon - September 2, 2011 at 6:51 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by searchingforanswers - September 2, 2011 at 6:17 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 2, 2011 at 6:43 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Anomalocaris - September 2, 2011 at 6:17 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 2, 2011 at 6:40 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 2, 2011 at 6:46 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 2, 2011 at 6:44 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 2, 2011 at 6:49 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 2, 2011 at 6:48 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 2, 2011 at 6:51 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Jaysyn - September 2, 2011 at 7:07 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 2, 2011 at 7:24 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 2, 2011 at 6:54 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Napoléon - September 2, 2011 at 7:00 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 2, 2011 at 7:02 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 2, 2011 at 7:11 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 2, 2011 at 7:25 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 2, 2011 at 7:32 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 2, 2011 at 7:58 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 2, 2011 at 8:03 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Napoléon - September 3, 2011 at 5:49 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by CoxRox - September 3, 2011 at 6:31 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 2, 2011 at 8:21 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by CoxRox - September 3, 2011 at 5:30 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 3, 2011 at 2:32 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by frankiej - September 3, 2011 at 2:39 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 3, 2011 at 2:41 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 3, 2011 at 3:47 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by popeyespappy - September 3, 2011 at 7:52 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 3, 2011 at 7:55 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by popeyespappy - September 3, 2011 at 8:15 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 3, 2011 at 8:50 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 3, 2011 at 11:16 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Shell B - September 3, 2011 at 11:17 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Epimethean - September 4, 2011 at 9:42 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 5, 2011 at 9:24 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Epimethean - September 5, 2011 at 10:41 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 5, 2011 at 12:42 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 5, 2011 at 12:44 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 5, 2011 at 12:53 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Shell B - September 5, 2011 at 12:56 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 5, 2011 at 1:30 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Shell B - September 5, 2011 at 1:33 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by downbeatplumb - September 5, 2011 at 1:35 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by frankiej - September 5, 2011 at 1:37 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 5, 2011 at 2:16 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Shell B - September 5, 2011 at 4:45 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Jaysyn - September 5, 2011 at 4:54 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Shell B - September 5, 2011 at 4:56 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 5, 2011 at 1:39 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Epimethean - September 5, 2011 at 1:55 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 5, 2011 at 2:20 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Epimethean - September 5, 2011 at 3:42 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 5, 2011 at 2:18 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 5, 2011 at 2:22 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Epimethean - September 5, 2011 at 11:17 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by popeyespappy - September 6, 2011 at 11:21 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 7, 2011 at 6:27 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Napoléon - September 7, 2011 at 7:56 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 7, 2011 at 8:03 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Napoléon - September 7, 2011 at 9:19 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Epimethean - September 7, 2011 at 8:24 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by popeyespappy - September 7, 2011 at 9:16 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Diamond-Deist - September 7, 2011 at 11:06 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by Napoléon - September 7, 2011 at 12:22 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by The Grand Nudger - September 7, 2011 at 11:09 am
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by downbeatplumb - September 7, 2011 at 12:19 pm
RE: Big Bang theory is not valid. - by DeistPaladin - September 7, 2011 at 12:25 pm

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