(March 26, 2018 at 8:01 pm)Succubus Wrote:(March 26, 2018 at 3:19 pm)Drich Wrote: If I were to take your bible and show you everything you believe to be true, a lie. you would hate me and or God for destroying how your little world works.
That said if you have a question or there is something holding you back, now is the time to ask it.
Mark 1:28 And immediately his fame spread abroad throughout all the region round about Galilee.
Luke 4:14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
Luke 4:37 And the fame of him went out into every place of the country round about.
Luke 5:15 But so much the more went there a fame abroad of him: and great multitudes came together to hear, and to be healed by him of their infirmities.
Yes I know this conundrum, shall we call it does appear regularly in these discussion but I thought perhaps you might have some new input. If Jesus was so famous then why is there no mention of him in history?
Drich, if you could address this without using the tired old apologist Josephus/Tacitus fall back then I'm pretty sure you will garner much respect around these parts.
I know it's a big ask but if you could just this once look at the story through the eyes of a non believer then you will understand why I refuse to believe it. Drich the story does not make sense.
There is. It's just what was known goes into much detail it is considered a religious text rather than a 3rd party source, unless it was an offical document. For example look at what we call "the book of Luke or the book of ACTS" written by an affiliated non-jew/christian commissioned by what was believed to be a very wealth roman official for his own personal enlightenment. Luke's recording of the book of luke was written before He was converted. it for him was just the documentation of what was known by Paul. Yet this effort is dismissed as a religious text even though a 3rd party person wrote it.
That said what is not considered religious texts has to be tied into a greater work or an official report. Now if we had a complete library of all ancient writings and jesus shows up as much as he does, then your question wold be valid. as it stands however with less than fraction remaining of what was once written it is foolish to say Rome did not write about Christ. It is like having a collection of old TV guides that ranged from 1978 to 1988 then someone asking you can you prove via your tv guides that regan was indeed an actor... after all if President Regan was an actor should the most powerful man of that time who shared a vocation with the people normally featured in TV guide?
TV guid does indeed mention regan as an actor but ironically not during his tenior as president except in passing. it's not till 2017 did they write a large story about Him.
The point drags over to Christ in that without a complete record of what was written we can not say conclusively how much was written. Remember the Heart of Rome was burnt out under Nero (which was after Christ) which if I remember correctly included over 6 scriptoriums which included in the clearing of the way of the collocium at the end of the 1st century.
Now all of that said... Here are some examples of roman officials and non religious third party people acknowledging Jesus in that time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ
There is a mentioning of Jesus being executed by pilate in His work the "Annals"
Then Nero Himself wrote endless edicts concerning Christians/the state's position against their beliefs and their punishments. He worked endlessly to purge Christianity from Judaism from Christianity or rather removing the legit religion/from superstitions of 'christ.' once christianity was classified as a superstition it's believers could be persecuted
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecutio...man_Empire
The argument here being if Nero did not know of Christ/Christianity why work so hard in trying (300 years) to obliterate the faith?
We have the writtings of pilate
we also have the letter of lentulus
https://orthodoxwiki.org/Letter_of_Lentulus
Not to mention the 1/2 dozen go to's Christ start out with first josepheus ect..
We have more than 20 solid eamples and you don't seem to be aware of one. why because no matter what history will produce it will never be enough. for eample, if you include what is written about Christ in the bible and in secular writtings, there is more written about Him durning that time period than anyone else including julius ceasar... yet for you that is not enough because despite fact that is not what you want to believe.
