(March 31, 2018 at 5:15 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:(March 30, 2018 at 11:47 pm)Godscreated Wrote:(March 30, 2018 at 6:11 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: So you are saying that no one who ever believed in god could ever have their beliefs changed.
The ultimate example of the "no true scotsmen" argument.(March 30, 2018 at 11:47 pm)Godscreated Wrote: I am saying that if one truly believes in the living God they can only deny what He offers, they can't deny His existence. Example, one of your parents subscribes to a way of life you do not believe is right, you can deny that way of life but you can't deny the parent is real. Now don't give me the God can't be seen thing it want work, the person believed with certainty that God exist and that can't change.
People are often wrong about things "they know for a certainty" and when they find that out they change their minds.
Lets take your analogy. Lets say that the person was delusional and imagining the parents existence or misunderstanding their belief system or perhaps it turns out that they weren't his real parents.
There that wasn't so hard now was it.
Now your just playing games with words and situations. We were never speaking of a delusional person. People who are delusional are not taken seriously and usually are medicated heavily or living on the street, very few are able to be a contributor to society. Besides those who are "actually" certain do not change their minds on a matter.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
