Well obviously the debate descended into a farce so I don't have any interest in continuing it along those lines but I'll give you a hollow summary as to what my aims were when I started.
In some way's I am more atheist than you guys, you dismiss the bible well I decided because so much of my religious beliefs rely on nature and science I decided to test the status quo of the BB theory, mainly because it just smacked of a bottled answer for a number of reasons, but hey how am I supposed to know compared to the God's of science ..... so i decided to some research.
I looked at certain alternatives and why they would think that in opposition to the BB, discovered a host of issues with it and then to learn more started making some contacts with qualified scientists/cosmologists from all walks of BB beliefs pro and anti to get a fuller non biased picture.
What I discovered through them and my own research is how little can actually be proved true, they tell you expansion is real ..... is it? they tell you they know the age of the universe ...... do they? they tell you the universe was once in a condensed state proving the BB ...... was it?.
I cross examined all of this through multiple channels and was amazed and how much were told is fact is actually fiction and why other alternatives do not get the funding they need to progress.
I originally came here to see if there were any arguments pro BB that I could use to complete my Q&A with the scientists I was speaking with ...... you did a good job ish in the beginning, I already knew about the bullet cluster etc .
I was going to show you my conversations, excerpts of what scientists say about the BB theory and share with you the alternatives which do not rely on magical explosions out of nothing some I found very interesting but my patients wore thin at this forum because it was not contributing and as my conversations with the scientists concluded and I felt satisfied with my own knowledge that I did not need this part of it any longer.
There all laid out for you, if you felt I was playing games I hope you can see the reason for it now.
In some way's I am more atheist than you guys, you dismiss the bible well I decided because so much of my religious beliefs rely on nature and science I decided to test the status quo of the BB theory, mainly because it just smacked of a bottled answer for a number of reasons, but hey how am I supposed to know compared to the God's of science ..... so i decided to some research.
I looked at certain alternatives and why they would think that in opposition to the BB, discovered a host of issues with it and then to learn more started making some contacts with qualified scientists/cosmologists from all walks of BB beliefs pro and anti to get a fuller non biased picture.
What I discovered through them and my own research is how little can actually be proved true, they tell you expansion is real ..... is it? they tell you they know the age of the universe ...... do they? they tell you the universe was once in a condensed state proving the BB ...... was it?.
I cross examined all of this through multiple channels and was amazed and how much were told is fact is actually fiction and why other alternatives do not get the funding they need to progress.
I originally came here to see if there were any arguments pro BB that I could use to complete my Q&A with the scientists I was speaking with ...... you did a good job ish in the beginning, I already knew about the bullet cluster etc .
I was going to show you my conversations, excerpts of what scientists say about the BB theory and share with you the alternatives which do not rely on magical explosions out of nothing some I found very interesting but my patients wore thin at this forum because it was not contributing and as my conversations with the scientists concluded and I felt satisfied with my own knowledge that I did not need this part of it any longer.
There all laid out for you, if you felt I was playing games I hope you can see the reason for it now.
