RE: Atheists:Can you disprove the resurrection or Jesus' existence?
September 4, 2011 at 4:27 am
(September 4, 2011 at 2:56 am)coffeeveritas Wrote: Yep, Padriac is on it, pretty much any atheist you ask to disprove the resurrection will start by pointing out that the burden of proof is on the one making the claim, and then point out that there is no conclusive proof on your end. I asked everyone their thoughts on their subject on the topic of disproving Christianity and the opinion was pretty much unanimous with the "burden of proof" idea.The arguments for xtianity have been refuted time and time again. If you are convinced by these refutations then xtianity is debunked, if not then it isn't. Speaking personally I am. The arguments for atheism have in turn been refuted by xtian theists, if you are unconvinced by these refutations then xtianity is debunked. Again I am.
(September 4, 2011 at 2:56 am)coffeeveritas Wrote: If you track the great apologetic debates (such as theodicy) they all switch gears around the 70's because the influence of post-modernism was undermining their arguments (on both sides). (For example, the "God cannot be both all good and all powerful if there is evil" argument was almost completely abandoned because of some work by Alvin Plantinga.) To be sure both sides still have their lines drawn, but it's changing so fast it makes for an interesting show.Plantingas FWD distilled down says it isn't logically impossible if god has a reason to allow evil. This argument has been refuted by Ray Bradley, amongst others. But notwithstanding that it says nothing about William Rowes inductive problem of evil. The world is much more consistent without there being a loving diety than with one, and whilst it may be logically possible that doesn't mean it is in the slightest bit convincing. In fact imo a more convincing case can be made logically for an all evil diety allowing us to do good things but willing us to be evil. But of course this is never put forward as it's not the xtian concept.
(September 4, 2011 at 2:56 am)coffeeveritas Wrote: In my opinion it looked like the atheist side was winning the debate up through the 70's then starting with Plantiga it more or less evened out until the very late 90's, now it looks like the Christian side has a fairly healthy lead.Yep and in my opinion that wrong, but then this of course subject to our own bias.
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.