RE: Best Theistic Arguments
April 16, 2018 at 12:46 pm
(This post was last modified: April 16, 2018 at 12:55 pm by Brian37.)
(April 8, 2018 at 5:29 pm)ShirkahnW Wrote: I am going to debate a theist over the existence of god soon. What are the best arguments you ever heard from theists? Any tips on what topic to avoid in such an discussion?
Thanks in advance
There are no good arguments.
I will say however, there are some pretty slick ones that, if you didn't know better could stump you.
My best advice if you are going to take on ANY THEIST, and that would include even religions such as Buddhism or Hinduism, which have no monotheistic god character, you should still understand the same pattern exists in every religion worldwide.
1. I got it right.
2. My club has a history of tradition.
3. I am moral because of my religion.
You have apologists in EVERY RELIGION whom, when they cant simply point to their holy writings/holy people, they will attack science. When they cant get away with that they will instead try to get science to point to their club. BUT and mind you, EVERY RELIGION, has apologists whom do those things, including Buddhists and Jews and Hindus.
The slick ones are those whom the apologists try to argue science like QM or thermodynamics, but again, debate enough of a variety of religions, you'll see that in all of them.
There are no good arguments for any label, and the reason cuts to the fact that scientific method is not a religion, but a process and is not there to prop up any religion/holy writing or holy person.
NOW MIND YOU, I am NOT saying one can or should even try to force any religion out of existence, but just in that the arguments are not good because once you start interjecting your pet label into it, the neutral objectivity is shot.
The other reason I'd also argue that there are no good arguments is the age of our species, far older than any religion, or human writings at all for that matter. The age of our planet and our sun and the universe also contradict the idea "all this" was put here for humans.
It makes much more sense to me that humans simply buy what their parents sell them prior to developing the ability to have adult critical thinking skills.
I'd argue that most humans are DECENT in their intent but their logic sucks. I'd argue that our species morality isn't handed down to us from a divine place, but has always been in our genes.
Keep these things in mind no matter whom you debate, Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist or Hindu or any other religion or deity claim. I think you'll see the same patters over time like I have.
It isn't that theists are bad, I think most are not bad, but we are talking about logic, not human rights.
(April 16, 2018 at 6:39 am)MysticKnight Wrote:(April 10, 2018 at 3:23 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Theist have the burden of proof, and all that...
Theists do have the burden of the proof but now that I'm finally understanding, if and only if those listening are actually trying to understand and listen.
Mystic, I will throw a fucking party with balloons and noise makers and strippers and coke....... Ok, maybe not the coke and strippers.


YES, theists do have the burden. FULL STOP.
Try to listen and understand yourself.
I SWEAR if you do that, you'll get it, and I will name my kid after you. Ok, I don't want a kid, but still, I would be thrilled if you finally got it.
JOIN THE DARK SIDE LUKE!