Hadiths and deceivers.

[WinterHold]

I take the Quran to be a special case, and accept the "leap of faith". I publicly admit it: I believed in the book due to the design of the universe, then the deeds it advocates -including charity, respecting others and defend one's self, family and friends, prohibition of pedophilia...etc-.

I won't claim that there is an evidence but that. To me personally; that is enough for me to believe:

I didn't ask you about your beliefs and I already knew that you thought magic book was special.  I was asking whether or not you realized that the process you just criticized roundly as a game of desert phone tag was exactly the process used to cobble together magic book?  

Then, why did you say:

You realize that the same process was used to create magic book...don't you.....?

Your statement was begging for my answer !
You asked if I "realized that..." ;
I answered "Yes; because..."

That seems like normal conversation to me !

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There's alot of that in every religion.

In the specific case of this twelver bullshit and "deceivers"......very few people act out or on the truth of their religious ideology.  MK doesn't do what a convinced, committed, and rational person would do confronted with demon locks or demons (suspend your disbelief, lol).  

In a perceptual reality where an absolute state holds divine right of kingship over all of mankind, and where demons are holding influence over men...and where some men are themselves, in truth, the demonic influence....having exhausted all of your magical cantrips and mantras to no effect.... what is the next logical, compassionate, and morally upright step...to the problem of all the demons in the world, running the states of earth, suppressing the goodness of your own hidden prince, and doing untold evil upon your fellow man in the process?   

This is the truly subversive effect of this type of religious ideology.  Setting up a situation where a good person begins to consider the unthinkable.

Absolutely. It's amazing to me how each religious person doesn't notice that every other religion uses basically the same arguments as them to try and magicallify their books and dogma. I feel like if I'd been raised religious, this is the fact that would have shaken me out of it. But it's hard to know how different my thinking patterns would be if I was stifled as a kid and fed dogshit instead of encouraged to think critically.

Humans tend to "copycat" the exact same pattern of their parents in order to fit in in their society.
That's why you get masses of copies, that believe in the same idea, piled up together they form a nation.

Thinking for your own is the challenge of the ages; it's very rare to see black sheep that differed from their society. But it's so common to see slaves for the institution that went on serving it, just because they were raised that way.

I don't know you personally; but I won't put aside the possibility that if you were raised around here, maybe you would get infected and become a "copy" like so many.

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So the argument from design is what I favor when I speak about God. 

How do you reconcile this in the face of numerous examples of poor 'design'?

Boru

But who said that the "standard" of either something is "properly designed, or poorly designed" is the correct standard?