RE: Hadiths and deceivers.
April 21, 2018 at 11:05 pm
(This post was last modified: April 21, 2018 at 11:42 pm by WinterHold.)
(April 21, 2018 at 7:36 am)Khemikal Wrote: Additionally, what use is a leap of faith if you have a credible argument, and what use is a credible argument if you're making a leap of faith?
In this case, the leap of faith IS the credible argument.
In life we take lots of "leaps of faith", even when our lives are the thing at stake.
Let me give you an example: flying. All of us ride plains, but do you know that there is always a chance of 1 in every 11 Million do die.
For cars, it's 1 for every 5000 car crashes. But there is a chance.
My "leap of faith" is based on this 1 in 11 Million. And guess what? planes DO crash, and accidents DO happen. So when we take the matter of "rare odds"; it is not quite wrong or illogical to carry the stand I take; that's why you have a seat belt in your car. Who should I believe, you or the engineer working at Mustang? If I believed you; I might fly out of the window someday due to an accident because "Khem and his buddies declined the 1 in 5000 accident possibility"..
(April 21, 2018 at 7:58 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:(April 21, 2018 at 6:35 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: I believed in the book due to the design of the universe...
How does belief in design lead to belief in a specific book? You're using design as a sign of confirmation after the fact of already having taken the leap to believe in the Quran, but you believed in that specific book first. How does design uniquely point to this book rather than that one?
No; the "leap" is the step taken after the observation takes place.
First, you notice something strange about the world and about the universe.
Second, you begin to search for explanations. One of the explanations is stated in the Quran.
There are so many explanations out there, rejecting all explanations is what you are: atheism.
Personally; I take the explanation in the Quran for the design to be a perfect sign of confirmation: the design led me to search, the found explanation led me to believe that the design served a purpose, both are dependent on each other.
(April 21, 2018 at 9:54 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Atlas, in my personal experience, I witness a miracle in the hadiths, in that many of them have insights to Quran which will bring the Quran to life and manifest it's wonders, if you try to perceive them verified in Quran.
There is much poison and falsehood in them, and ilmel rijaal reliance is that of circular reasoning at the center.
Gray regions which are neither white or black, are an instrument for your doom in terms of religion:
Quote:Sura 4, The Quran:
(82) Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.
Quote:Sura 3, The Quran:
(78) There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, "That is from Allah," but it is not from Allah. It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it!
So I really have to ask you; MK: is what you're reading really coming from God, or a distorted gray region, read with a twisted tongue so that we think it's holy; but it isn't holy at all ?
