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Intelligent Design (brief overview).
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RE: Intelligent Design (brief overview).
(May 7, 2018 at 12:12 am)MysticKnight Wrote: When I was taught evolution in high school, they didn't even tell us anything about the issue of irreducible complexity and how evolutionist tempt to solve them.

It was like it was total non-issue. Before we get into actual details in nature... you have to understand what the irreducible complexity problem is to evolution.

A complex system has many parts. What makes a complex system possibly irreducible is dependency on certain parts on others.  That is without certain parts, other parts wont be useful. 

The problem of irreducibility, is that, it could not by mechanism of small mutations, have evolved because the irreducible complexity suggests that many parts are needed for them to work together for it to work at all.

Of course, you can always take about a more simple version of that system evolving to more complex version of that system.....

But the very first time the system rose, is it possible to go the route of gradual changes? That's the question.

I've realized there is many complex systems that this is not possible.

It's not "I don't know how it's possible so it's not", it's more I know how it's impossible.

Aside from this something are binary. That is they in or they out. One thread I don't know if you guys remember was the binary nature of consciousness. Some thing is either consciousness or not. To go from non-consciousness to consciousness at whatever degree of any degree of consciousness, cannot happen by a mere mutation or a few. It has to be a lot and so many that it cannot be due to random type in naturalism way. 

The reason is because of the binary nature of it.  You can imagine a million steps on the way, but then it make that transition, it's binary.

So aside form irreducible complexity of life of dependency issue, is binary design of things like consciousness.


Now certain things that we may think they are irreducible complex, but they are not, and evolutionary path might be possible for them. Other things not so much.


Sometimes it's not just a irreducible complex system, it's the need of several different type of irreducible complex systems working together... 

That's how easy it always been to see the design of the Creator.

Evolution does not have to be one way. Even if something is irreducibly complex now does not mean that evolution did not shed things. Evolution is great at reusing stuff. For example the bones that make up your ear were once part on the jaws of armoured fish.



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Intelligent Design (brief overview). - by MysticKnight - May 7, 2018 at 12:12 am
RE: Intelligent Design (brief overview). - by Losty - May 8, 2018 at 2:12 pm
RE: Intelligent Design (brief overview). - by Aegon - May 7, 2018 at 11:27 am
RE: Intelligent Design (brief overview). - by GUBU - May 7, 2018 at 5:17 am
RE: Intelligent Design (brief overview). - by chimp3 - May 7, 2018 at 5:27 am
RE: Intelligent Design (brief overview). - by downbeatplumb - May 7, 2018 at 6:11 am
RE: Intelligent Design (brief overview). - by brewer - May 7, 2018 at 6:54 am
RE: Intelligent Design (brief overview). - by GUBU - May 8, 2018 at 1:54 am
RE: Intelligent Design (brief overview). - by emjay - May 9, 2018 at 5:53 am
RE: Intelligent Design (brief overview). - by Amarok - May 9, 2018 at 11:41 am

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