Open discussion of the Christian Why We're Here thread

[Edwardo Piet]

So the point is that Neo can learn from his behavior when we punish him just as she did from being punished for trolling... but that does not mean she was punished or that Neo should be punished because he deserves it, in a retributive way. Just that it's the best way to discourage him being a cunt in future: consequentalist punishment.

..and they call Christians judgmental and patronizing.

You are clearly judgmental and patronizing. I'm just objectively right. There's a difference. What I said (I'm sure Mathilda will agree, as her her kudos appears to indicate) does appear to have been Mathilda's point so I was completely right in what I said. What am I saying there? Look what I was actually saying: That that was the point of Mathilda's post and the point that CL missed. I do appear to be correct. That was indeed Mathilda's point. So merely calling me judgmental and patronizing is completely irrelevant and dismissive of--and dodging--my actual point.

Wanna see judgemental and patronizing? Take a look at this shit you said:

Our participation on AF is not at all like going into places where sin and darkness dwell in ignorance. Those are people potentially yearning for hope who have not yet heard the Gospel. AF members do not yearn for hope. The Light dwells in the darkness and the darkness knew it not. This lot have put blankets of falsity over their windows having already closed their eyes to truth.

@ Catholic_Lady – you suggest that exposing yourself to the opinions and ideas on AF provides insight into the thoughts and feeling of other atheists with whom you interact elsewhere online or in real life. You also write about a desire to “engage with people of differing views”. But merely gaining insight has only personal value unless it in some way brings glory to God or builds the Kingdom. I see knowledge as a means to an end, not an end unto itself. As such, if you have no ambitions beyond educating yourself such as overcoming objections of non-believers so they may come to Christ or strengthening your faith to be more effective in other missions?

For me, learning about atheism is a non-issue. As a former atheist, I already had extensive knowledge of atheism as expressed by the major philosophers such as Russell, Nietzsche, and Sartre. The majority of AF atheists are New Atheist groupies who spit out one-liners the way candy pops out of Pez heads.

The crucial and key difference being that you're also spouting superstitious, religious and above all incorrect bullshit whereas I am not. If what you were saying was actually correct then dismissing it as 'judgemental and patronizing' would be an irrelevant dodge on my part (just as it's irrelevant when you say it to me as a way to completely ignore the absolutely correct point about consequentialist versus retributivist punishment that I was making in my agreement with Mathilda's point).

The point is in my case I'm making a correct differentiation between two versions of punishment and helping illustrate Mathlida's point in my own way... but in your case it's just a hyperignorant religious rant about atheists and a completely baseless declaration that we are beyond hope (your own bullshit magic book is not a base or foundation for your bullshit declaration).

You do absolutely nothing to support your Christian belief but you do offer insight into exactly why you are so deluded: You basically admitted that you are full of confirmation bias... so much so that you're only interested in knowledge that supports Christianity (which you fucking said right there in that post... that you don't seek knowledge for its own sake but merely to bolster what you already believe!!! [And please nobody mistake this for anger on my part I'm chill as fuck and just emphazing how full of crap Neo is]), which completely shuts your eyes to any arguments or evidence to the contrary. You start with your bullshit presupposition that, as Min would say, a dead Jew on a stick is here to save us all... and you are too busy genuinely being condescending in a hyperignorant way about your own misconceptions of atheism to actually ever have even the slightest chance of becoming aware of your own superstitious bullshit ignorance. It wouldn't be condescending if you weren't so completely full of shit and the intellectual dishonesty that is your admission of total confirmation bias with regards to your own entire bullshit Christian worldview.