(May 7, 2018 at 1:24 pm)Joods Wrote:(May 7, 2018 at 12:36 pm)alpha male Wrote: You're nullifying theists as people by assuming they were indoctrinated into those positions, rather than reaching them by rational thought.bold mine.
Oh please. Do tell me what sort of rational thought, a 4 or 5 year old sitting in a children's church being taught how beautiful the story of Noah's ark is, could possibly have?
You know as well as I do that the vast majority of believers, do so because their parents taught them about god and how he was good and great. So they grew up thinking that god was real. And then they did it to their children and their children did it to their children ad nauseum. How else do you think religion has survived as long as it has? Indoctrination yes. Rational thought? Hell no. If theists had any sort of rational thought, they wouldn't be theists in the first place.
You are being completely disingenuous when you say otherwise.
I would beg to differ. There are plenty of people who come to believe in and have faith in God; later in life. And many of them are quite intelligent, and do cite rational reasons for their belief that Christianity is true. I would also point out that learning something when you are young, does not preclude a greater understanding and foundation for that belief later. So I would say that you are just flat out wrong. And I don't think that you have much to support the statements you make.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther