RE: Open discussion of the Christian Why We're Here thread
May 8, 2018 at 7:19 am
(This post was last modified: May 8, 2018 at 7:24 am by Edwardo Piet.)
(May 7, 2018 at 9:16 pm)Fireball Wrote: All the twisted logic I have seen here everywhere (no, I'm not going to publish it all, give me a break!) from both sides should give people pause. I can understand defending a position, but what it really comes down to is that a religious person has to have faith. There isn't a rational argument for or against that. Expecting one is a fool's errand. While most atheists realize this, some tilt at that windmill in the hope that those alleged religious or on-the-fence lurkers will be educated in some falsity or another. I don't generally have dialog with the religious because I've done it and seen it all, and it is a waste of time...for both "sides".
It's precisely the fact that there can't be any evidence or logic in favor of it that makes it so irrational and unreasonable to believe.
(May 7, 2018 at 9:42 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Also Hammy,
If you truly only need one sound argument, the Kalam Cosmological arguement is soundYou don’t see anyone in a debate (professionals) arguing that it isn’t just village atheists on he internet!
LOL LMAO seriously? That's the shit WLC and many other apologists push in formal debates OUTSIDE the internet only to get their asses nailed in those debates by rational skeptics and atheists.
Newsflash: Arguing for a first cause is not even arguing for a deity let alone the Christian one. I BELIEVE in a first cause. But the idea of that first cause being an all-powerful being is laughably pulled out of nowhere.
There's never been a sound argument in favor of theism... which is precisely why people like Neo have to conclude that you can't come to Christianity from a position of reason. Faith is a get out of jail free card. If during a debate where you're supposed to give rational support to your position you have to say "I don't come to my position from reason" you've just lost the debate.
