(May 8, 2018 at 7:27 am)Hammy Wrote:(May 7, 2018 at 10:16 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: The irony from a discussion calling all theists irrational is pretty humorous here IMHO! And to clarify I was referring to some making a specific arguments as not being the best and brightest of the bunch.
As I've already pointed out many times before: SAYING THAT ALL THEISM IS IRRATIONAL IS NOT THE SAME THING AS SAYING ALL THEISTS ARE IRRATIONAL.
If I write it in caps will you actually read it this time?
You didn't say atheism was stupid, you aimed your insult at atheists, not atheism, there's a difference. Try to notice.
So correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that by your logic, I can say that all atheism is irrational, but I cannot say that specific arguments made by particular atheists is irrational. This seems quite backwards to me! For one, "theism" or "atheism" is a description about one's belief in regards to God. You cannot say that the "ISM" is irrational, but the person is not. It is the person who has the belief, and may be rational or irrational; in the forming of that belief, not the ideology. So I think that you are trying to make a distinction without a difference here. As to where my insult was aimed, it was pointed at specific arguments. As I said in the beginning, I don't give much weight to vague and un-falsifiable claims. If you say, I'm being irrational, show me where; let's look at the claim and see if it is true. If you say I need education, tell me what I need to learn. Just telling me, that I'm stupid or irrational, or even my position is nothing more than name calling. And that is where I have the problem, when there is nothing more to it than that. Nothing constructive, nothing falsifiable, nothing which can be examined.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther