(September 6, 2011 at 6:57 pm)Fred Wrote:(September 6, 2011 at 6:13 pm)I_Blaspheme Wrote:(September 6, 2011 at 5:44 pm)Fred Wrote: After all, the gnu atheists are why atheism is on the radar at all, so it would be odd to not know what the main cheerleader for your team was up to.
I realized this wasn't directed at me, but I feel it's my duty to point out that atheism isn't a team sport. What Richard Dawkins is up to has so little relevance to myself and what I think that said relevance can't even be measured in nanogiveashits.
For you, perhaps, maybe not. But just as gnus go on about moderate religionists being enablers for the extremists by their very existence, that works for your team too. You can protest all ya like, and if it bothers you to be lumped in with them, maybe you can go ask a moderate religious person what that's like because they have ample experience with the dynamic.
Quote:Atheists don't have dogma. We don't have or need a fucking pope.
Whether you need one is debatable, but whether you got one is not. You let those gnu guys muscle their way to the head of the table and whether you like it or not, those outside the choir room are quite happy to do that lumping, just as you guys are quite happy to lump all religious folks together. (emphasis added)
Oh, the delicious irony. Pot, meet kettle.
I'll reiterate. We (atheists) don't need a fucking pope. We're people bound by only a single common denominator: We don't hold beliefs in the existence of deities.
You are making the error of conflating atheism with a host of other ideas. While it may be true that many atheists share similar views with respect to cosmology, evolution, etc, there are many more who do not. That those views are held in common does not make them part of atheism. I'll say it again - we share a single common denominator: We don't hold beliefs in the existence of deities.
Dawkins, Hitchens, et al do not speak for me, and I doubt that they would want to. They are merely professing their own learned opinions, nothing more.
But hey, don't let me interfere with you arguing against your own strawman. Have at it.
(September 6, 2011 at 7:36 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:(September 6, 2011 at 6:57 pm)Fred Wrote: As for having a dogma, oh, yes you do. Maybe you can't see it from inside the choir room, but outside it's clear as day, and that's what this thread is about.
Did you post any examples yet?
I'm interested in learning the atheist dogma I hold.
Please go on...
Despite what he claims, no he did not, unless he did it elsewhere.