RE: Theists - I want to know what you think
May 11, 2018 at 1:08 pm
(This post was last modified: May 11, 2018 at 2:13 pm by Mister Agenda.)
SteveII Wrote:Mister Agenda Wrote:
Unknown and unknowable are not synonyms.
I know. I chose 'unknowable' on purpose. If you think there was a first cause and you deny it was God, then you are admitting to a brute fact (whether you realize it or not). A brute fact is unknowable.
Brute Fact: In contemporary philosophy, a brute fact is a fact that has no explanation. More narrowly, brute facts may instead be defined as those facts which cannot be explained (as opposed to simply having no explanation). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brute_fact
In contemporary language use, something that is unknowable can never be known. You can't know that. After all there a multiple explanations for possible 'first causes' that have math behind them and don't contradict known physical laws. In principle, evidence could someday be discovered that confirms one of those explanations or an explanation that hasn't been devised yet. I think 'unknowable' in this case is premature.
Neo-Scholastic Wrote:One incoherent belief is that there can be personal meaning in an otherwise meaningless universe.
Can you fill the gap between 'if the universe is meaningless' and 'there can be no personal meaning'? Why can't there?
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.