(May 17, 2018 at 7:08 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(May 17, 2018 at 11:35 am)Little Rik Wrote: 1) You still can not understand how a rock can be full of consciousness as in human life and at the same time it present no life.
Easy.
It is the awareness that make the difference.
The awareness doesn't come easy.
It takes some millions or more years to turn a latent or dormant form of consciousness such as pure matter into plant life, animal life, human life and God life.
This is what evolution is all about.
It is the evolution of the awareness in consciousness that turn matter into something different and more aware.
Consciousness in itself is the same in all form of lives because everything come from the same source but not everything has got the same awareness of who they are.
Consciousness has nothing to do with..........the state of being awake and aware of one's surroundings........instead has to do with being aware of who we are so it is an internal thing not an external one.
Matter does not have a brain or any other way to think or to be aware so no expression is possible.
Even then after millions of years in that bondage something pop up within that make her wish to escape that situation of bondage
and that works with the release of energy as we can see in some minerals such as uranium and other.
There is no evidence that uranium wants anything, and we do not need to invoke unevidenced wants to predict its behavior (see between hide tags below). If rocks are not in any sense aware, then in what way are they like things that we know are conscious? What is your evidence for this?
FOOL.
The only way to understand this point is to understand how evolution works which is something that you badly lack.
Matter is the last stage of creation and the first stage of evolution.
It goes in circle.
From pure consciousness to mind, space, air, light-energy, water and finally to matter.
Once the creation reach the bottom and turn into matter the evolution start in order to bring that now latent consciousness back to pure consciousness and to where all started from.
Why all this should be proven right by physical science?
Physical science is called such because she study physical phenomenon not what evolution in consciousness is all about so no if you expect any physical evidence you will not get any but if you engage in intuitional science you will.

(May 17, 2018 at 11:35 am)Little Rik Wrote: 2) There is no way that ketamine and other substances are able to allow the consciousness to leave or disconnect from the body.
An NDE is instead able to do that because that is not cheating.
The fact that people using the chemical way are able to see something big does in no way means that they experience an OBE.
These people also they never die as in a NDE.
Quote:You have no evidence that consciousness is able to leave or disconnect from the body. When I pointed this out in the evolution thread, you became obstinate and uncooperative and refused to answer further. Nor do people die in the case of NDEs, as is obvious from the fact that we have the testimony of live NDE experiencers. The rest of this is just more nonsensical dogma that you believe but have no evidence for.
Now you are very very dishonest.
The evidence is there that people really die during their NDE.
Both doctors and people who had an NDE confirm this fact.
Shame on you liar.

(May 17, 2018 at 11:35 am)Little Rik Wrote: 3) How we determine that something is real?
It is all about developing an high degree of awareness.
Physical science change continuously.
If you stick to what this science say today you will look like a fool tomorrow.
Everything move and change so what science say that is real today will be cast in the rubbish bin of history tomorrow.
The only way to determine what is real is to look within because within there is the real truth but that is something that you will discover later on considering your stubbornness.
Quote:Out of one side of your mouth you claim that knowledge from inside is the determinant of the real, and out of the other side of your mouth you claim that evidence from dreams is not justification for believing something. Apparently, looking within only works if you believe the right dogma. You don't know what the fuck you believe, nor do you know how to determine what is real. This is just more Ananda Marga dogma that has yielded bullshit like Sakar's Microvita.
If you think that looking inside through hard spiritual work and dreams are the same thing then you really need to see a mental doctor.
Going from bad to worse yog.
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(May 17, 2018 at 11:35 am)Little Rik Wrote: 4) Vibrations in inanimate matter are alive as are alive in all other form of life.
The difference however lie in the wave length in which the vibration travel or how the energy is propagated.
The longer it takes to travel /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ the less awareness present and the less it takes to travel the more come closer to God wave which is flat___________________________.
Quote:Oh look! No evidence from NDEs, and no scientific evidence. Little Rik runs away again.
Give some time yog.
One day you too will understand how the whole system works without banging your head on the wall.
