Best Theistic Arguments

[Little Rik]

There is no evidence that uranium wants anything, and we do not need to invoke unevidenced wants to predict its behavior (see between hide tags below).  If rocks are not in any sense aware, then in what way are they like things that we know are conscious?  What is your evidence for this?

FOOL.

The only way to understand this point is to understand how evolution works which is something that you badly lack.
Matter is the last stage of creation and the first stage of evolution.
It goes in circle.
From pure consciousness to mind, space, air, light-energy, water and finally to matter.
Once the creation reach the bottom and turn into matter the evolution start in order to bring that now latent consciousness back to pure consciousness and to where all started from.
Why all this should be proven right by physical science?
Physical science is called such because she study physical phenomenon not what evolution in consciousness is all about so no if you expect any physical evidence you will not get any but if you engage in intuitional science you will.   

That's some interesting speculation.  So I take it that you're now admitting that you have no evidence that vibrations are alive, and it's just dogma.

Why speculations?
Even a demented fool knows that physical science is confined within the physical corral therefore is unable to understand what lie outside such as the consciousness but I guess you never thought about that yog, did you?
That of course make you foolish believe that vibrations are not alive.
Wrong once again.

How do you know that the things intuitional science tells you are true?

Because I do practice it and because the practice open the superconscious within where the real knowledge lie.  

2) There is no way that ketamine and other substances are able to allow the consciousness to leave or disconnect from the body.
An NDE is instead able to do that because that is not cheating.
The fact that people using the chemical way are able to see something big does in no way means that they experience an OBE.
These people also they never die as in a NDE.  

You have no evidence that consciousness is able to leave or disconnect from the body.  When I pointed this out in the evolution thread, you became obstinate and uncooperative and refused to answer further.  Nor do people die in the case of NDEs, as is obvious from the fact that we have the testimony of live NDE experiencers.  The rest of this is just more nonsensical dogma that you believe but have no evidence for.

Now you are very very dishonest.
The evidence is there that people really die during their NDE.
Both doctors and people who had an NDE confirm this fact.
Shame on you liar.  

Let's see what the legal definition of death is:

Most legal determinations of death in the developed world are made by medical professionals who pronounce death when specific criteria are met. Two categories of legal death are death determined by irreversible cessation of heartbeat and breathing (cardiopulmonary death), and death determined by irreversible cessation of functions of the brain (brain death).

Wikipedia || Legal death, Medical declaration


Do people who experience NDEs have an irreversible cessation of heartbeat, breathing, or brain function?  No they do not.  Therefore they have not died.  This is simply an example of you thinking that I am wrong simply because you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

Yes they do.
Doctors declare these people dead.
On top of that these people can see their dead body from above which it means that the consciousness is no more inside the body.

That is bizarre yog.
Atheists always glorify science (physical science of course) but when this science contradict them they stupidly try to find some excuses that take them out their failure.
Shame on you yog.  

3) How we determine that something is real?

It is all about developing an high degree of awareness.
Physical science change continuously.
If you stick to what this science say today you will look like a fool tomorrow.
Everything move and change so what science say that is real today will be cast in the rubbish bin of history tomorrow.

The only way to determine what is real is to look within because within there is the real truth but that is something that you will discover later on considering your stubbornness.

Out of one side of your mouth you claim that knowledge from inside is the determinant of the real, and out of the other side of your mouth you claim that evidence from dreams is not justification for believing something.  Apparently, looking within only works if you believe the right dogma.  You don't know what the fuck you believe, nor do you know how to determine what is real.  This is just more Ananda Marga dogma that has yielded bullshit like Sakar's Microvita.

If you think that looking inside through hard spiritual work and dreams are the same thing then you really need to see a mental doctor.
Going from bad to worse yog.

Do you believe that the things you can learn from your spiritual masturbation are more likely to be true than what you can learn from dreams?
Do you believe that other people exist?
Did you learn the details of Kathleen's NDE by looking within?

By spitting in the dish that feed you you will not go very far yog.
Spirituality is what keep the universe and all the creature alive.
At the moment you live in a fantasy dream so you still do not know this golden truth but in any case if I would be in your shoes so to speak I would be very very careful before you engage in these foolish comments.    

4) Vibrations in inanimate matter are alive as are alive in all other form of life.
The difference however lie in the wave length in which the vibration travel or how the energy is propagated.
The longer it takes to travel  /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ the less awareness present and the less it takes to travel the more come closer to God wave which is flat___________________________.  

Oh look!  No evidence from NDEs, and no scientific evidence.  Little Rik runs away again.

Give some time yog.
One day you too will understand how the whole system works without banging your head on the wall.  

Not if I depend upon you for it.  All I get from you is repeated Ananda Marga dogma.  

You've had six weeks to show that your beliefs are not dogma and so far you've come up with squat.  I'm a patient woman, but my patience has its limits.

Oh, my God.  
I am so so sorry that I took advantage of your patience.
I didn't know that you gave me six weeks.
I thought I had until the next Christmas.  

Oh, by the way I am still waiting to see your evidence that the consciousness is a product of the brain and that life end up with the physical death. (among of course all other atheists dogmas)  




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