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De Waal was the source YOU provided as corroborating the idea that animals have a sense of morality. De Waal claims no such thing, so instead of admiting you were wrong, you start backpedaling, that is typical atheist behavior.

Againg De Waal was YOUR source not mine.

You seem to either not have read my response, ignored my point or misunderstood it.

De Waal provided evidence and an interpretation of that evidence.

I disagree with that interpretation.

I think he provided evidence of animals with rudimentary morality.

There aren't degrees to morality, morality is simply the ability to know right and wrong, it's basic human understanding.

If that was so then the trolley problem would not be of such interest. There are many situations where it is not clear what is the right or wrong thing to do. This is what philosophy concerns itself with. Philosophers often try to figure out such answers.

Knowing right from wrong means you understand WHY something is right or wrong. If you don't know why murder is wrong, I'd argue you don't have any sense of morality.

Easy with clear cut examples such as murder. What about state sanctioned murder such as the death penalty? Abortion? The answer is not so obvious for these. If it was, they would not contentious issues.

Animals have absolutely zero ability to reason, therefore they cannot be moral.

Wrong.

Here are examples of a squirrel reasoning about how to get to a bird feeder

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Crow understanding water displacement to retrieve food (loads of other videos of them using tools)

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Also dolphins are known to save people from sharks. That sounds fairly moral to me.