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No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!!
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RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!!
(May 25, 2018 at 2:02 pm)Khemikal Wrote: The end game with NOKO can;t be denuclearization.  Ultimately, it can only be normalization and a peaceful commitment with SOKO.  They can keep their nukes...but if they want to stop starving to death like common third worlders....they need to stop threatening their immediate neighbors and the united states with short range arthur and long range missy.

This is in their own best interests, particularly if anyone truly believes the state rhetoric about the us.  We will let them vaporize seoul while we annihilate their country, if it came to that.  Now...wouldn;t we......

People who imagine that this would start ww3 are deluded.  No one is going to stick their neck out for kim if we start legit thirsting for the blood of north korean babies, again.  Not even china.  All that takes is a backdoor agreement to let the chinese install whatever puppet regime they want as a continued buffer.  Yay for international cooperation!


They can’t normalize except in extremely limited ways. If they normalize to any significant extent, like China did between 1977 and 1990, their citizens would be exposed to news and entertainment media from the world, or at very least from their benefactors in China. The citizens would see how far behind they are compared to every nation around them, the citizens will see how much unnecessary privation they have been subjected to. Any legitimacy Kim family has will vanish. Kim family will fall.

North Korea is unlike most other reclusive communist regime that normalized because in most communist states, The form of government in most communist countries is really something of a republic, with is an established system of responsibilities and roles and a path of promotion by thevpopuloud through entry level party positions to the highest apex of power. If drastic actions are needed it is possible for the party to admit errors and sideline or punish the wrong doers or the scapegoats and then reset their policies and bring forward a new cadre of senior leadership. Really large communist parties in large states like China and Russia also had the historic good fortunes of taking over from a very low point in their respective country’s histories and there is nowhere to go but up for their respective countries in international influence and security, and furthermore there are no other comparable large countries that could show them up and prove the performance of the ruling party in enriching and aggrandizing the country is inadequate by international standards or compared to peer powers.

North Korea is different. It is really a dynastic monarchy. Furthermore Each succeeding monarch draws justification of his own rule from official hagiography of his predecessors. If drastic action is needed there is no one to bring forward. It is impossible to admit error without bring into question the legitimacy of the ruling family. South Korea stands as stark reminder of just how inadequate the performance of North Korea had been.

So, no. For North Korean regime, opening up is death.
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No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by Jehanne - May 25, 2018 at 8:48 am
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by vorlon13 - May 25, 2018 at 9:46 am
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by A Theist - May 25, 2018 at 9:58 am
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by Angrboda - May 25, 2018 at 1:28 pm
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by A Theist - May 25, 2018 at 10:36 am
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by Jehanne - May 25, 2018 at 11:30 am
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by Brian37 - June 6, 2018 at 2:19 pm
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by Tiberius - May 25, 2018 at 11:01 am
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by A Theist - May 25, 2018 at 11:11 am
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by A Theist - May 25, 2018 at 11:19 am
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by Jehanne - May 25, 2018 at 11:32 am
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by A Theist - May 25, 2018 at 1:11 pm
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by A Theist - May 25, 2018 at 11:22 am
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by Minimalist - May 25, 2018 at 11:23 am
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by brewer - May 25, 2018 at 11:31 am
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by brewer - May 25, 2018 at 1:45 pm
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by Jehanne - May 25, 2018 at 12:29 pm
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by Silver - May 25, 2018 at 12:37 pm
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by Jehanne - May 25, 2018 at 3:07 pm
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by Anomalocaris - May 25, 2018 at 4:48 pm
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by vorlon13 - May 26, 2018 at 1:59 pm
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by Amarok - May 26, 2018 at 2:23 pm
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by Amarok - May 26, 2018 at 4:06 pm
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by Jehanne - May 26, 2018 at 7:57 pm
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by A Theist - May 26, 2018 at 9:26 pm
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by Amarok - May 26, 2018 at 10:09 pm
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by Minimalist - May 26, 2018 at 11:05 pm
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by Amarok - May 27, 2018 at 12:15 am
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by Amarok - June 6, 2018 at 9:21 pm
RE: No Nobel for Donald Trump! So sad!! - by Amarok - June 6, 2018 at 11:30 pm

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