Nobody wants to get sodomized with a bayonet, amiright?  That shit keeps Puty up at night too.  It;s the veritable unifying thread of nuclear armed despots everywhere.

I doubt that our own president is keen on giving up his big red button, for that matter.

I have read that the top military brass have a plan to tackle Trump if he gets antsy with his big button. The dumbass does not know that a nuclear strike will likely participate a full scale nuclear war that will kill all of us, wherever we may be.

I'll just nestle in with the cockroaches.

(May 25, 2018 at 11:32 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(May 25, 2018 at 11:19 am)A Theist Wrote: How about I show you on the doll where you sucked obama.

I am on the doll; what's your point?

Are you the "Ass" or the "Dick" on the doll? You act like both.

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(May 25, 2018 at 11:23 am)Khemikal Wrote: @Cap
I was, and they certainly were.  It;s not as if people suddenly started being this way when the whitehouse got a darker coat of interior paint.

@ A Theist

We -have- seen what happens.....for 30 some odd years now...nothing. That;s why we went the route of isolation. The Mad King nuked that plan when he decided to engage in a twitter war in se asia.

Yeah, we've seen what happened over the past 30 years under other adminstrations. That's why NOKO has nukes now.
I don't think Trump's going to put with them the way past administrations have.

(May 25, 2018 at 9:58 am)A Theist Wrote: Looks like the talks between the U.S. and NOKO remain open. If Trump is successful in reaching terms with Kim,  Obama will just claim credit!

So, in other words, failing some unforeseen event, Trump has screwed the pooch on two denuclearization deals. Attaboy!

(May 25, 2018 at 1:11 pm)A Theist Wrote:

(May 25, 2018 at 11:32 am)Jehanne Wrote: I am on the doll; what's your point?

Are you the "Ass" or the "Dick" on the doll? You act like both.

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(May 25, 2018 at 11:23 am)Khemikal Wrote: @Cap
I was, and they certainly were.  It;s not as if people suddenly started being this way when the whitehouse got a darker coat of interior paint.

@ A Theist

We -have- seen what happens.....for 30 some odd years now...nothing.  That;s why we went the route of isolation.  The Mad King nuked that plan when he decided to engage in a twitter war in se asia.

Yeah, we've seen what happened over the past 30 years under other adminstrations. That's why NOKO has nukes now.
I don't think Trump's going to put with them the way past administrations have.

It;s strange that you've come to that conclusion..since he's done pretty much what everyone else has done..the only difference being that he did it in his own trademarked bigly dumb way.  
 
Except, ofc, for that nagging bit about He Who Shall Not Be Named™ -not- doing that, pursuing a policy of isolation that was working.

Yet another example of how the politics of spite may make you feel warm down to your tight white cockles...but probably isn;t a credible way to run a country or engage in international diplomacy.

(May 25, 2018 at 11:38 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(May 25, 2018 at 11:31 am)mh.brewer Wrote: Didn't Pence screw the pooch on this one? Saying it's going to end up like Libya was an idiot move.

Kim is never going to give up his nuclear weapons.  With nuclear weapons he has nothing to fear.   Trump in his ego thinks he could bring about dazzling solution to the 68 year old war with his greasy hair and rubbery lips.  He was way to dumb to not crow about it before even meeting Kim.

So there was never going to be any outcome that won’t totally humiliate trump, which is good, nor any that won’t further annihilate American credibility, which is actually not so bad either.

I agree. This is just some stupid game.

The end game with NOKO can;t be denuclearization.  Ultimately, it can only be normalization and a peaceful commitment with SOKO.  They can keep their nukes...but if they want to stop starving to death like common third worlders....they need to stop threatening their immediate neighbors and the united states with short range arthur and long range missy.

This is in their own best interests, particularly if anyone truly believes the state rhetoric about the us. We will let them vaporize seoul while we annihilate their country, if it came to that. Now...wouldn;t we......

People who imagine that this would start ww3 are deluded. No one is going to stick their neck out for kim if we start legit thirsting for the blood of north korean babies, again. Not even china. All that takes is a backdoor agreement to let the chinese install whatever puppet regime they want as a continued buffer. Yay for international cooperation!

(May 25, 2018 at 1:39 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(May 25, 2018 at 1:11 pm)A Theist Wrote: Are you the "Ass" or the "Dick" on the doll? You act like both.

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Yeah, we've seen what happened over the past 30 years under other adminstrations. That's why NOKO has nukes now.
I don't think Trump's going to put with them the way past administrations have.

It;s strange that you've come to that conclusion..since he's done pretty much what everyone else has done..the only difference being that he did it in his own trademarked bigly dumb way.  
 
Except, ofc, for that nagging bit about He Who Shall Not Be Named™ -not- doing that, pursuing a policy of isolation that was working.

Yet another example of how the politics of spite may make you feel warm down to your tight white cockles...but probably isn;t a credible way to run a country or engage in international diplomacy.

I work 40 to 55 hours per week, but with a nonverbal, non-toilet trained child, now 13 years of age, we can't make ends meet, even with a 650/month house payment.

(May 25, 2018 at 2:02 pm)Khemikal Wrote: The end game with NOKO can;t be denuclearization.  Ultimately, it can only be normalization and a peaceful commitment with SOKO.  They can keep their nukes...but if they want to stop starving to death like common third worlders....they need to stop threatening their immediate neighbors and the united states with short range arthur and long range missy.

This is in their own best interests, particularly if anyone truly believes the state rhetoric about the us.  We will let them vaporize seoul while we annihilate their country, if it came to that.  Now...wouldn;t we......

People who imagine that this would start ww3 are deluded.  No one is going to stick their neck out for kim if we start legit thirsting for the blood of north korean babies, again.  Not even china.  All that takes is a backdoor agreement to let the chinese install whatever puppet regime they want as a continued buffer.  Yay for international cooperation!

They can’t normalize except in extremely limited ways. If they normalize to any significant extent, like China did between 1977 and 1990, their citizens would be exposed to news and entertainment media from the world, or at very least from their benefactors in China. The citizens would see how far behind they are compared to every nation around them, the citizens will see how much unnecessary privation they have been subjected to. Any legitimacy Kim family has will vanish. Kim family will fall.

North Korea is unlike most other reclusive communist regime that normalized because in most communist states, The form of government in most communist countries is really something of a republic, with is an established system of responsibilities and roles and a path of promotion by thevpopuloud through entry level party positions to the highest apex of power. If drastic actions are needed it is possible for the party to admit errors and sideline or punish the wrong doers or the scapegoats and then reset their policies and bring forward a new cadre of senior leadership. Really large communist parties in large states like China and Russia also had the historic good fortunes of taking over from a very low point in their respective country’s histories and there is nowhere to go but up for their respective countries in international influence and security, and furthermore there are no other comparable large countries that could show them up and prove the performance of the ruling party in enriching and aggrandizing the country is inadequate by international standards or compared to peer powers.

North Korea is different. It is really a dynastic monarchy. Furthermore Each succeeding monarch draws justification of his own rule from official hagiography of his predecessors. If drastic action is needed there is no one to bring forward. It is impossible to admit error without bring into question the legitimacy of the ruling family. South Korea stands as stark reminder of just how inadequate the performance of North Korea had been.

So, no. For North Korean regime, opening up is death.