RE: Best Theistic Arguments
May 29, 2018 at 8:59 am
(This post was last modified: May 29, 2018 at 9:58 am by Little Rik.)
(May 28, 2018 at 7:18 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:(May 26, 2018 at 11:11 am)Little Rik Wrote: Also vibrations like everything in this universe has life in it.
Unlike matter which can not express herself because she reach the very bottom of creation vibrations express themselves with the movement and movement means life.
If on the other hand you may believe that this movement is caused by the creator then you can well kiss goodby to all atheistic ideas.
In any case you fail badly.
Motion by itself is not evidence that vibrations are alive, both as the motion may be caused by something independent of the vibration, such as a God, or motion may simply be an intrinsic feature of these vibrations without need for any life. You of course realize that vibration simply refers to a periodic aspect in the mathematical modeling of field interactions and not actual physical motion of course? Of course you don't. Regardless, my consciousness doesn't jiggle in my head. Does yours? If so, perhaps we have discovered the problem..... Life is defined variously but no definition I have read simply says, "motion." Motion is a property both of things known to be alive and not. If you simply define everything as being alive, you've suspended the role of motion in your argument and have simply done an end run around the meaning of words. See above about your use of language.
Suppose for a sec. that motion is not enough to say that vibrations are alive or not.
Now let us add something to this motion.
Let us add the fact that the bodies in which these vibrations exist are capable of giving new life.
So this plus motion is a clear evidence that vibrations are alive.
FAIL ONCE AGAIN DARL.
(May 28, 2018 at 7:18 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:(May 26, 2018 at 11:11 am)Little Rik Wrote: 3) Energy - consciousness are the two sides of the same sheet.
One can not exist without the other.
Also energy move so like vibrations must have life in it.
The atheist idea that some sort of energy within the universe keep the system going and going is void of any evidence while the idea that energy has life in it make 100% sense.
Physical science sooner or later will come to this conclusion.
Promises of future discovery is not evidence. This consciousness and energy being two sides of the same sheet is taken straight from the writings of Sarkar without any justification on its own. From Sarkar's lips to your lips, without any thought or reason intervening. That is what is called dogma, and is not justification for belief. If you'd care to explain why Sarkar believes it, by all means do so. Otherwise you're just repeating dogma.
It doesn't really need Sarkar to prove that consciousness and energy are the two sides of the same sheet.
You can easily see in everyday life.
Take your car.
In it there is a lot of energy but this energy is unable to do anything unless you direct it to act or to express her potential.
Or take your computer.
Until you direct it to do something nothing happen so it is clear that energy plus consciousness must go hand in hand in order to do something.
Although low form of lives act according mother nature instinct the rule is the same which is that consciousness and energy always go hand in hand.
Aren't you tired of failing again and again?
(May 28, 2018 at 7:18 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:(May 26, 2018 at 11:11 am)Little Rik Wrote: 4) Life in this universe always come from life.
This is science yog.
Much as everything else here, this point has been discussed more fully in the evolution thread, and has already been more than adequately answered. You have no justification for your belief that life comes only from life, and therefore it's just dogma. Science for its part has neither concluded that life comes from non-life nor that it doesn't, so your claiming that it is science is just a lie which you keep repeating.
Fail for the hundred times yog.
Science has established that everything is made of vibrations.
Bodies in which these vibrations exist are capable of giving life therefore is quite clear that to give life a body full of vibration is essential.
Without vibrations there would not be a body.
No matter, no veg. life, no animal life, no human life, nothing, not even the universe because even the universe is made of vibrations.
Nothing at all, so life wouldn't be there without vibrations.
From here is obvious that vibrations must be alive.
(May 28, 2018 at 7:18 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:(May 26, 2018 at 11:11 am)Little Rik Wrote: There is no such a thing as anything void of life.
Even matter has life in it even if it is in a latent form.
Yes, we've been through all this in the evolution thread. Life in matter is both obvious and known, but at the same time hidden and incapable of being observed. No, your arguments, such as they are, either include falsehoods, fallacies, errors of reasoning, or simple misstatements of fact. This is because your explanations are nothing more than tissue thin rationalizations for your justification of believing these things which is really based primarily on the fact that your guru had asserted them. They are religious dogma, nothing more.
If you really think that there is something void of life please show to the world such an interesting theory.
Didn't I tell you that you may even go for a Nobel prize?