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Best Theistic Arguments
RE: Best Theistic Arguments
(June 6, 2018 at 8:11 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(June 6, 2018 at 9:55 am)Little Rik Wrote: Oh, well, if the consciousness is no longer there then it must have taken a flight to the moon, isn't it?  Smile

FOOL.
The only time the consciousness leave the body-brain is when the body die.
You confuse the awareness in consciousness with the consciousness.
Get real yog because the world is passing you by and you are stuck in a sea of dogmas.

Given that you now seem to be asserting that consciousness doesn't require awareness, and therefore is something beyond awareness itself, I'm a at a bit of a loss as to what specifically you are referring to here.  Given that, I have to return to things you've said in the past to attempt to make sense of just what you are referring to with the word consciousness here.

Previously, you said the following:

(May 16, 2018 at 11:25 am)Little Rik Wrote: Consciousness is what everything is made of whether there is awareness of one existence or not.

Now this assertion by itself is not problematic, as all it appears to be saying is that there is only one kind of substance in existence, and everything is made of that one kind of substance.  This is simply an assertion of substance monism, unless you mean something more specific about what that substance is by using the word consciousness.  You could just as easily have said that everything is made of cheese, and I would have no reason to doubt you so long as I don't attach specific properties to the idea of "being cheese."  Such a substance monism is perfectly compatible with materialism as materialism only asserts that there is only one kind of substance.  As a practical matter, everything is vibrations, as we've already accepted, and all this seems to be saying is that everything is made of them, an unremarkable proposition on its own.

However you also assert the following:

(December 26, 2016 at 7:51 am)Little Rik Wrote: How can something physical-material as the brain can create something bigger and abstract as the consciousness?
Did anybody ever told you what the word ABSTRACT means yog?
And did anybody ever told you what is the difference between material and abstract?

Now, according to the dictionary, abstract means, "thought of apart from concrete realities, specific objects, or actual instances."  This raises an important question in my mind.  If concrete reality is composed of consciousness, and awareness is not the same thing as consciousness, then what is it that you are claiming is apart from the concrete reality?  If as you contend, everything is consciousness, then consciousness itself is not in any sense abstract, as it is simply more of the same.  Moreover, in suggesting that something you call consciousness in humans is not a part of the concrete reality, i.e. the universal substance, then you are asserting a form of substance dualism, that not only is everything made of consciousness, but that there is another thing which you confusingly also call consciousness, which is not of the same substance as everything else.  That seems inconsistent.  Beyond that, awareness seems to be the only thing in the existence of a human being which is even hinted at as being apart from the concrete reality of blood and bone and nerves.  So exactly what thing are you simultaneously setting apart from "everything" while at the same time saying is the same substance as everything?



(June 6, 2018 at 9:55 am)Little Rik Wrote: Your philosophy in life is few hundred years behind.  Lightbulb
In fact yours is not even a philosophy.
It is dogma of the worse kind.
Grow up yog.

Again I have to ask what you mean by consciousness?  If you simply mean whatever that is which things are made of, then it's relatively unproblematic.  However, there doesn't appear to be any reason to believe that the substance of a rock changes when it becomes a part of a plant or a human being.  Since you seem to be asserting that some sort of change is occurring, that the vibrations in a rock are somehow different when those vibrations become a skin cell, or a strand of hair,  I see nothing to support that proposition.  You supposedly have established that awareness is not an essential property of consciousness.  By Leibniz's law, things are only identical if their properties are identical.  This includes, necessarily, their essential properties, by definition.  So the question is, what essential properties does a vibration have that a human being also has, beyond the mere fact of existing, which nobody disputes.  


(June 6, 2018 at 9:55 am)Little Rik Wrote: Fallacy of division my foot.  Smile
The cream of scientists already said that everything is made of vibration therefore a body is none but vibrations so are the vibrations that create more life and who create more life must be alive.
This is pure and clear math not fallacy of division.
FAIL AGAIN YOG.

You're essentially asserting that if a complex body has a property, that the parts of that body necessarily have that property.  As already noted, my 'whole' has the ability to get pregnant and give birth to a child.  According to the proposition you are forwarding here, then my foot is also necessarily capable of getting pregnant and giving birth to a child.  If you believe that to be the case, I can only conclude that you're ignorant of the basic facts of human reproduction.  If you are not asserting this, then to assert that the properties of the whole imply the existence of the same properties in the part is simply fallacious.  I myself am alive.  That doesn't mean it necessarily follows that the vibrations that are a part of me are alive.  That simply doesn't follow.  

Moreover, I have to here ask what you specifically mean by the word alive, as it does not appear that you mean the same as other people do when they use the word.  Various properties are ascribed to life, among them, metabolism and reproduction.  If you are asserting that vibrations reproduce, I'd like to see some evidence of that.  Otherwise you are just talking in your own private language and I have no idea what you mean when you say that vibrations are alive.


(June 6, 2018 at 9:55 am)Little Rik Wrote: Cut the crap and your intellectual BS yog.

There has never been a division between consciousness and energy.
The two are inseparable.
They have always been and always will be together.
No need to create divisions because energy-consciousness can not be divided ever.  

This is nothing more than more dogma.   You can assert shit like this all you like, until you start providing reasons and evidence for it, nobody needs to take you seriously.


(June 6, 2018 at 9:55 am)Little Rik Wrote: The evidence that vibrations are alive is very very clear.
You are the evidence.
Your parents were made of vibrations and you too are made of vibrations (not very good vibrations however Smile ).
You are alive therefore the vibrations that make your existence are alive.  Lightbulb

I notice you chose to duck my challenge like a coward and not respond to it.  I find it difficult to take you seriously when you obviously don't even have enough confidence in your reasons and evidence to lay it on the line, and instead slink away from the challenge.

What you have instead replied with is yet another claim that because the whole that I am has a certain property, the parts necessarily do as well.  As noted already, this is the fallacy of division, and so your conclusion does not follow.

Beyond that, as noted, you seem to be using the words consciousness and life/alive in nonstandard ways.  Until you explain to me what the essential properties of each are according to you, I don't have any reason to listen to you as you're just babbling incoherently.


Considering that your confusion is now out of control Banging Head On Desk let me see if I can help you to clear all those black clouds from your mind. Rolleyes

As I said few days ago the mind is like an onion which has several layers.
The layers of consciousness which are deep inside are better knows as subconscious.
Sub is below like a submarine is below the water so the subconscious is not visible UNLESS you are able to penetrate this consciousness that lies below which require a particular type of science but this is a different argument.

Here however is important to understand the cycle of creation and the cycle of evolution.
In creation according to yoga the supreme consciousness turn part of his awareness into into less and less awareness so the cycle of creation start through the fundamental factor such as space, air, gas, water and matter so matter is made of pure consciousness like everything else but the initial awareness is gone for the time being and here start the cycle of evolution in which the consciousness slowly  regain her lost consciousness by turning into plants, animal, human and ending up in the same supreme mind where in the past everything started from.

All this creation and evolution and every expression is vibrational and is represented by wavelengths that vary according to a particular form of life.
Human beings need a lot of training to perceive these vibrations so until that happen they will usually say that we are made of matter and vibrations are BS or not existing.
Of course there is also matter in our existence.
Who deny that, but matter being in a different stage of evolution is not us.
We need a body to live but the body is not us, it is only a vehicle that we need to travel on our way from zero awareness to 100% awareness in order to find out who we really are.

A rock is also a vehicle to hold a consciousness void of any awareness while a human body is a different type of vehicle more suitable to hold a more developed form of awareness.
God being 100% awareness obviously doesn't need to have any vehicle to hold his consciousness that is why in yoga we say that God is an abstract entity.  Lightbulb
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