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Substitutionary Atonement! WTF?
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Substitutionary Atonement! WTF?
Who the fuck comes up with this shite!
I like it, but only because it sounds like divine legal gobbledygook. lol!

"Yeah, I know I killed all those people your honour, because I'm a sick fuck, but hey, here, take my 90 year old father instead and we'll just call it even!
  (*whispers* shhhh... don't tell anyone but the old man's got cancer and will be dead anyway soon!)

And people really believe God would come up with stuff like this? When he can make anything happen anyway? Pretty bloody convoluted isn't it?

Obviously it wasn't God as it wasn't "invented" until the middle ages (below).

As an ignoramus, I'm genuinely curious now to know what core beliefs in the current modern day bible are actually original?


https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/artic...atonement/

Quote:Skeptics commonly criticize core Christian beliefs by claiming that they were not really held by the earliest Christians. Instead, we are told, these beliefs were invented post facto by the institutional church.

The classic example of such an argument has to do with the divinity of Jesus. The earliest followers of Jesus didn’t really believe that Jesus was divine, this argument goes; it was only the later institutional church, under political pressure from Emperor Constantine, that insisted Jesus must have divine status. Thus, some argue, the belief that Jesus is God is not really, well, Christian.

Quote:Substitutionary Atonement

This same sort of argument has also been applied to other doctrines, particularly the substitutionary nature of the atonement. Critical scholars, led by the classic work of Gustaf Aulén, have long argued that the earliest Christians did not believe that Christ died as a substitute for sinners. Instead, they say, these Christians believed what is known as the “Christus victor” view of the atonement—the idea that Jesus’s death on the cross (and resurrection) conquered the Devil and other forces that held people in bondage. On this view, Christ did not die in place of rebellious sinners but instead rescued victims from a fallen world
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by ignoramus - June 9, 2018 at 3:12 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by brewer - June 9, 2018 at 9:19 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 9, 2018 at 10:07 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by vorlon13 - June 9, 2018 at 10:15 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Simon Moon - June 9, 2018 at 1:39 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by henryp - June 9, 2018 at 1:48 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by brewer - June 9, 2018 at 2:45 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Minimalist - June 9, 2018 at 3:08 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by chimp3 - June 9, 2018 at 3:21 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 9, 2018 at 3:28 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by chimp3 - June 9, 2018 at 3:30 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by AFTT47 - June 9, 2018 at 8:48 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 9, 2018 at 10:24 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by ignoramus - June 9, 2018 at 10:39 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by The Valkyrie - June 10, 2018 at 2:52 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 10, 2018 at 3:18 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 10, 2018 at 9:08 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Huggy Bear - June 10, 2018 at 9:14 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 10, 2018 at 9:35 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Huggy Bear - June 10, 2018 at 10:02 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by AFTT47 - June 10, 2018 at 10:13 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 11, 2018 at 2:08 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 11, 2018 at 9:14 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 12, 2018 at 2:08 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 12, 2018 at 9:10 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 13, 2018 at 1:16 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 13, 2018 at 8:34 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 14, 2018 at 2:01 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 14, 2018 at 8:15 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 15, 2018 at 2:49 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 15, 2018 at 2:00 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 16, 2018 at 2:14 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Ravenshire - June 17, 2018 at 2:31 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 17, 2018 at 9:36 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 18, 2018 at 1:35 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Ravenshire - June 18, 2018 at 3:18 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 18, 2018 at 4:09 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Ravenshire - June 18, 2018 at 4:43 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 19, 2018 at 12:54 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Astreja - June 19, 2018 at 1:23 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 19, 2018 at 9:21 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 19, 2018 at 11:55 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 20, 2018 at 8:18 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Succubus - June 20, 2018 at 10:19 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 21, 2018 at 12:44 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 21, 2018 at 7:58 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Succubus - June 18, 2018 at 5:27 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by vorlon13 - June 14, 2018 at 5:01 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 15, 2018 at 12:33 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Astreja - June 18, 2018 at 1:53 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 10, 2018 at 10:27 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 10, 2018 at 2:30 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Huggy Bear - June 10, 2018 at 7:46 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by MysticKnight - June 10, 2018 at 7:59 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 10, 2018 at 8:21 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Huggy Bear - June 10, 2018 at 7:59 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Huggy Bear - June 10, 2018 at 8:47 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by brewer - June 10, 2018 at 8:50 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 10, 2018 at 9:01 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by RDK1 - June 10, 2018 at 9:21 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by brewer - June 10, 2018 at 9:25 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by brewer - June 10, 2018 at 9:19 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by RDK1 - June 10, 2018 at 9:30 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by brewer - June 10, 2018 at 10:57 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2018 at 11:35 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Huggy Bear - June 11, 2018 at 7:35 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by ignoramus - June 11, 2018 at 12:08 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Huggy Bear - June 12, 2018 at 12:08 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Drich - June 12, 2018 at 10:20 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by brewer - June 14, 2018 at 11:07 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by The Grand Nudger - June 12, 2018 at 12:10 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Crossless2.0 - June 12, 2018 at 12:17 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Huggy Bear - June 12, 2018 at 1:26 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 12, 2018 at 3:11 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Crossless2.0 - June 12, 2018 at 1:53 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by The Valkyrie - June 12, 2018 at 1:55 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Crossless2.0 - June 12, 2018 at 1:58 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by The Valkyrie - June 12, 2018 at 1:57 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Crossless2.0 - June 12, 2018 at 2:06 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by The Valkyrie - June 12, 2018 at 8:13 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by robvalue - June 14, 2018 at 9:08 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 14, 2018 at 9:41 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 16, 2018 at 8:18 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by The Grand Nudger - June 20, 2018 at 12:02 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by robvalue - June 20, 2018 at 12:19 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by KevinM1 - June 20, 2018 at 2:00 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by robvalue - June 20, 2018 at 2:51 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 20, 2018 at 6:28 pm
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by The Grand Nudger - June 21, 2018 at 12:47 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 22, 2018 at 12:46 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Angrboda - June 22, 2018 at 8:48 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Chad32 - June 22, 2018 at 8:58 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Godscreated - June 23, 2018 at 2:52 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by ignoramus - June 21, 2018 at 3:18 am
RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF? - by Haipule - June 21, 2018 at 3:42 am

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