RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF?
June 10, 2018 at 10:02 am
(This post was last modified: June 10, 2018 at 10:05 am by Huggy Bear.)
(June 10, 2018 at 9:35 am)Chad32 Wrote:(June 10, 2018 at 9:14 am)Huggy74 Wrote:
There is no such thing as substitutionary atonement, it is simply atonement.
Death (eternal separation from God) is the penalty for sin.
God cannot simply change his law and be a just God.
The anology of substituting ones sick grandfather fails because that sacrifice doesn't change the heart of the one who committed the crime.
The blood of Christ completely changes a person's nature so that they are no longer the same person that committed the sin, they have the same nature / spirit of Christ which is blameless.
Therefore when one receives the holy spirit, they cannot even be accused of sin, let alone be judged for it.
Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me? - John 8:46
Yeah, he can change the law, and he should. If he did exist, and was just. Because creating a place of suffering, and sending people down there by default isn't just. Judging people mostly based on whether they worship him or not, instead of their deeds in life, isn't just.
Spilling blood doesn't change anyone. Saying a prayer doesn't change you either, hence the need for regular revivals in churches.
He cannot change the law because you cannot enter the presence of God as a sinner.
Therefore if you cannot exist in Gods presence (as a sinner) then you must exist in a place removed from Gods presence, which by that very nature would be hell.
All good things come from God.
If God is love, there would be no love in that place.
If God is peace, there would be no peace in that place.
If God is joy there would be no joy in that place
If to be with God meant the end of fear, you'd know nothing but fear in that place.
If to be with God meant the end of suffering, you know nothing but suffering in that place.
I think you get the point.
Say we use the sun as an analogy for God, if the sun went away would that not cause suffering?
You call yourself an atheist, and by your own volition choose to remove yourself from the presence of God.
You can't blame God for that...
