RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF?
June 11, 2018 at 2:08 am
(This post was last modified: June 11, 2018 at 2:22 am by Godscreated.)
(June 10, 2018 at 10:13 am)AFTT47 Wrote:(June 10, 2018 at 10:02 am)Huggy74 Wrote:
If that's how things were I could blame him for not making himself known to me. The only thing I have heard of God are ridiculous stories which are completely out of step with the world I live in. To make matters worse, there are a plethora of other similar stories of other gods, all equally ridiculous.
For God to create the bizarro universe you describe and not make himself known makes him culpable of all the people who end up in Hell because they were unaware of his existence.
But He has, you are arguing against Him, if you had no idea at all you would not be having this conversation.
Being out of step with this world is exactly what God wants from us, He has said to us, "be holy as I'm holy." God meant that He is nothing like sinful man and that we are to be nothing like the sinful world.
Yes there are many stories about many gods and what those gods have done, yet none have given such a price as the God of the Bible has to redeem man back to himself.
God did not create a bizarro universe, man's sin cause all of creation to be cursed. Before sin this universe was perfect and the only humans that ever saw it in that condition were Adam and Eve. Those who are unaware of Christ will be judged by God in a just and fair way according to His will. However there is enough of the original creation left that God has said that no man can look at the natural world and be without excuse of knowing He created it. Thus knowing He does exist.
GC
(June 9, 2018 at 3:12 am)ignoramus Wrote:
All the references you have given comes from "critics," what were you expecting critics to say and how do you believe that they being critics would impress Christians.
Christ's death pays for all the sin of those who accept Him as their savior. He is our atonement, that is covering, when God the father see those who have chosen Christ He sees His Son's perfection and thus we are forgiven of our violations against Him, making us sinless in His eyes. This has been the most important thing in the scriptures from the OT through the NT, it is not a middle age concoction. Also to rescue us from a fallen world someone perfect had to die for us, our death can not even pay/atone for our sins. Our physical death is the result of our sin, the eternal punishment is for those who die with their sin, the Christian dies a forgiven person, sinless.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.