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The Lie Known as "Salvation"
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RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation"
(June 10, 2018 at 10:44 pm)RDK1 Wrote:
(June 5, 2018 at 10:32 am)julep Wrote: If you need the idea of a god to feel happy, I'm sorry that's the case, but go for it.  I don't think that your interpretation fits with the actual texts, but since it's all fictional, what does it matter?  Your god sounds like one of those creepy MLM front-men...follow these simple steps and soon you'll have the vacation homes and private jets.  Appeal to greed and the desire to get good stuff without earning it: it's an effective con, sure.   

Doesn't incline me to believe, trust, or sell the vitamins.
All of the language transliteration is not needed.  The simple premise of salvation is freedom from guilt and an offering of forgiveness. This is a simple gesture to humanity of God's love to us.  The rest is just calories.
If it is not needed, which I agree with, then why did you use the word "salvation"? It is a transliteration of the Latin which has absativally nothing to do with the biblical Greek word sOtEria.

Yes, there is no room biblically for fear, worry, shame, guilt. Then why did you put them on a guilt trip by saying "offering of forgiveness?"


What on EARTH do they need "forgiveness" of? Sin? There is no word in Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek that can possibly be translated as "sin", without a theologic English polluted sense, in any sense of academic honesty with Scripture!


The problem was the parabasis(motion against a fixed point, or standard: erroneously translated as "sin") of Adam which has absativally nothing to do with them or their doing!

Case in point:

tE gar chariti este sesOsmenoi dia pisteOs, Ephesians 2:8a, erroneously translated as "For by grace we have been saved".


tE = dative definite article = to-thee. Notice the translators eliminated this word and instead gave us "by". If you read insanely stupid books about translating the bible, they call that, "the dative of means" which is a manipulative tool to magically change a dative into a genitive. I call it the dative of "abracadabra". How to magically turn a dative phrase(which is locative and has no motion: motion, such as "means", can only be established by the preposition dia governing the genitive as in "through"--we'll see this later).

Then we have gar which establishes a reason and is post positive to English.

Then we have chariti, which is the dative of charis usually translated as "grace" but means beauty and refers to best qualities implying favor.

Then we have the 2nd person indicative active plural of eimi(to-be) = you-are-all.

Then we have the third person, nominative masculine(everyone) plural, perfect, passive participle(verbal adjective) of the verb sOzO unusually erroneously translated as "saved" but means to be delived from any nonsense anyone might be facing, = ones-having-been-being-delivered.

Then we have the preposition governing the genitive; dia(establishing means), followed by the genitive singular feminine noun pisteOs. From pistis, usually translated as "faith" but refers to that which you trust and is not blind! 

So there you have it: for to-thee joyous-favor you-are-all ones-having-been-been-being-delivered through(means) of-faith(your inventory of ideas built through the study of God's Word).

Paul was teaching life, right here, right now, and NOT "salvation" or guilt trips!
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The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Haipule - June 3, 2018 at 5:45 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Paraselene - June 3, 2018 at 5:49 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Haipule - June 3, 2018 at 7:00 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Paraselene - June 3, 2018 at 7:03 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Whateverist - June 4, 2018 at 3:26 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Haipule - June 6, 2018 at 3:22 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by vulcanlogician - June 6, 2018 at 7:32 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Haipule - June 7, 2018 at 2:32 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by vulcanlogician - June 7, 2018 at 5:04 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by chimp3 - June 3, 2018 at 5:56 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Haipule - June 3, 2018 at 7:06 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by chimp3 - June 9, 2018 at 3:49 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Haipule - June 9, 2018 at 4:52 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by chimp3 - June 9, 2018 at 5:27 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Haipule - June 9, 2018 at 11:47 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by chimp3 - June 10, 2018 at 12:35 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by vorlon13 - June 3, 2018 at 6:23 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Haipule - June 3, 2018 at 7:17 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Joods - June 3, 2018 at 6:34 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Minimalist - June 3, 2018 at 6:40 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 7:15 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Haipule - June 3, 2018 at 7:51 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Paraselene - June 3, 2018 at 8:26 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 4, 2018 at 1:33 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Haipule - June 7, 2018 at 3:46 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Angrboda - June 7, 2018 at 4:48 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by brewer - June 3, 2018 at 7:16 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Joods - June 3, 2018 at 7:44 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Angrboda - June 3, 2018 at 8:59 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation"0. - by Haipule - June 3, 2018 at 11:57 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by brewer - June 3, 2018 at 9:25 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by drfuzzy - June 3, 2018 at 11:33 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Drich - June 4, 2018 at 11:45 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Haipule - June 5, 2018 at 2:07 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Haipule - June 5, 2018 at 3:32 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Drich - June 8, 2018 at 1:42 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by LadyForCamus - June 5, 2018 at 12:16 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Haipule - June 6, 2018 at 1:45 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Caligvla XXI - June 6, 2018 at 12:23 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by robvalue - June 5, 2018 at 3:52 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by ignoramus - June 5, 2018 at 4:33 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by robvalue - June 5, 2018 at 4:36 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Angrboda - June 5, 2018 at 5:50 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by julep - June 5, 2018 at 10:32 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by RDK1 - June 10, 2018 at 10:44 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by vorlon13 - June 11, 2018 at 9:00 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Haipule - June 12, 2018 at 3:35 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 6, 2018 at 2:17 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by robvalue - June 6, 2018 at 2:52 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Haipule - June 6, 2018 at 5:15 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Joods - June 6, 2018 at 12:31 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by brewer - June 8, 2018 at 1:58 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by The Grand Nudger - June 8, 2018 at 2:22 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by brewer - June 8, 2018 at 2:25 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by Haipule - June 9, 2018 at 1:57 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by The Grand Nudger - June 9, 2018 at 3:40 am
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by robvalue - June 9, 2018 at 11:22 pm
RE: The Lie Known as "Salvation" - by The Grand Nudger - June 10, 2018 at 11:46 pm

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