Substitutionary Atonement! WTF?

[Chad32]

As far as anyone has concretely proven, no gods are real. Abrahamic ones, or otherwise.

Worshiping him is exactly what "accepting Jesus" means. And yes, his entire problem with Humanity is apparently that he wants to be worshiped, and is not.

It's not that He wants to be worshiped He deserves to be worshiped, He is after all the one who allowed you to wake up this morning, then enjoy a beautiful day with all the wonderful things He created. That's just for starters the list would be never ending.

Of course he didn't have to curse the entire world when two people disobeyed him once. It's asinine to think he had to have that much of a problem with it. Hell, that wasn't even part of the warning from before. He said they'd die that day. He didn't mention any world cursing. But instead of doing what he told them would happen, he let Adam live over 900 years, and cursed the world. Does he have control over his powers and how the world operates, or not?

You can't understand that God's creation was absolutely perfect and when Adam and Eve disobeyed they brought evil into this perfect world an evil that has slowly eaten away at this world and the people who occupy it. The curse is this, God did not stop this slow destruction, He allowed it to continue and it will until the day Christ returns. It was part of the warning because they did die, first a spiritual separation from God, then the physical death. He didn't call what was to come the "curse" per se, but I think the word death was vivid enough wouldn't you. God has complete control, He has allowed you to say all sorts of negative and vile things about Him and you're still with us. 

He has never had a problem with inflicting pain on third parties when someone does something he doesn't like. Killing children for the crimes of their parents isn't something he ever had to do. He just felt like doing it.

When did God kill children because of what there parents did. If you're talking about the parents sins being pass down to the third and forth generations, then you have little understanding of the scriptures and what they say. The children will suffer the same sins because the parents have taught them it's okay to do those sinful things and each generation will continue to do so. You also need to understand who God was speaking to and why and that they were warned before they said they would obey all God's commandments and worship Him only, God told them what would happen if they made and then broke their promise. God never does something just because He feels like it, that's a human weakness, God is totally responsible in what actions He takes, His omnipresence assures that if nothing else.

He has been wrong. Never admitting when you messed up just makes the problem worse, because it means you won't change. How you kill an innocent animal or person doesn't really matter. The fact that you're doing it at all is the messed up part.

 Who are you to judge God, you're a being that has lived for a moment in time and God has lived for an eternity, He has witnessed it all before it ever happened, He understands the outcomes and how they will effect everything. God is perfect and unchanging, this is why Christians can live a life assured God will do as He said He would do. I'm not sure where you got your disassembled ideas about God but where ever they came from you have been shown wrong and should investigate for yourself who God is.

GC

No, there is no magic that wakes me up in the morning. Am I also supposed to thank my parents that they didn't murder me in my sleep every night when I lived with them? Is that the kind of relationship I should be having with anyone?

It's not that I don't understand absolute perfection. It's that it doesn't make sense. If it was absolutely perfect, then nothing would ever go wrong. If something is capable of going wrong in an absolutely perfect world, then what is perfect supposed to mean?

No, I'm talking about this god killing children because their parents did something wrong. Like in exodus, or when David screwed up. And saying that if they grew up, they'd be learning the same things their parents did doesn't excuse it. There are a lot of other ways to improve societies without killing people. Your god just likes to kill people, and enjoys the smell of blood. And yes, the bible does specifically say he enjoys the smell of blood. I'll clarify that for you, after you apparently admitted you weren't aware he also kills children, which should be common knowledge to anyone with cursory knowledge of the bible.

I'm a person with thoughts and feelings too. I know that change is a necessary thing, and if you refuse to change that's a flaw. Jealousy is also a flaw, by the way. Society has improved to the point where dictators are looked down upon. I was born in one that's supposed to encourage freedom of speech, where the people who run the country are supposed to be public servants, not rulers. Why shouldn't I air my thoughts, and give criticism to the character of Yahweh/Jehova? What sort of relationship are you guys trying to sell, that I'm expected to never question the other side?