(June 13, 2018 at 8:34 am)Chad32 Wrote:(June 13, 2018 at 1:16 am)Godscreated Wrote: It's not that He wants to be worshiped He deserves to be worshiped, He is after all the one who allowed you to wake up this morning, then enjoy a beautiful day with all the wonderful things He created. That's just for starters the list would be never ending.
You can't understand that God's creation was absolutely perfect and when Adam and Eve disobeyed they brought evil into this perfect world an evil that has slowly eaten away at this world and the people who occupy it. The curse is this, God did not stop this slow destruction, He allowed it to continue and it will until the day Christ returns. It was part of the warning because they did die, first a spiritual separation from God, then the physical death. He didn't call what was to come the "curse" per se, but I think the word death was vivid enough wouldn't you. God has complete control, He has allowed you to say all sorts of negative and vile things about Him and you're still with us.
When did God kill children because of what there parents did. If you're talking about the parents sins being pass down to the third and forth generations, then you have little understanding of the scriptures and what they say. The children will suffer the same sins because the parents have taught them it's okay to do those sinful things and each generation will continue to do so. You also need to understand who God was speaking to and why and that they were warned before they said they would obey all God's commandments and worship Him only, God told them what would happen if they made and then broke their promise. God never does something just because He feels like it, that's a human weakness, God is totally responsible in what actions He takes, His omnipresence assures that if nothing else.
Who are you to judge God, you're a being that has lived for a moment in time and God has lived for an eternity, He has witnessed it all before it ever happened, He understands the outcomes and how they will effect everything. God is perfect and unchanging, this is why Christians can live a life assured God will do as He said He would do. I'm not sure where you got your disassembled ideas about God but where ever they came from you have been shown wrong and should investigate for yourself who God is.
GC
No, there is no magic that wakes me up in the morning. Am I also supposed to thank my parents that they didn't murder me in my sleep every night when I lived with them? Is that the kind of relationship I should be having with anyone?
Waking up in the morning doesn't mean God has spared your life, it means He is giving you another day to find Him. God knows whether you will find Him or not before your life is over, yet He still gives you another day each day you wake up. Your life like everyone else has an appointed end.
Chad32 Wrote:It's not that I don't understand absolute perfection. It's that it doesn't make sense. If it was absolutely perfect, then nothing would ever go wrong. If something is capable of going wrong in an absolutely perfect world, then what is perfect supposed to mean?
By the things you've said in posts I do not believe you do know what absolute perfection is, not in the case of the creation and God's love for mankind. Free will was part of the creation and being so meant that God placed His perfect creation in the way of man's ability to choose wrongly. To have controlled man from making a wrong choice would mean God wasn't the God who could take care of the bad situation man put the creation in. He has and will.
Chad32 Wrote:No, I'm talking about this god killing children because their parents did something wrong. Like in exodus, or when David screwed up. And saying that if they grew up, they'd be learning the same things their parents did doesn't excuse it. There are a lot of other ways to improve societies without killing people. Your god just likes to kill people, and enjoys the smell of blood. And yes, the bible does specifically say he enjoys the smell of blood. I'll clarify that for you, after you apparently admitted you weren't aware he also kills children, which should be common knowledge to anyone with cursory knowledge of the bible.
That child of David's is in heaven with God, he is in a far better place than we are and has life eternal with God. David was the one punished not the child, the child received eternal life and David had to grieve his loss. You see if you are going to assume God you must assume all that He does, all. You can't choose to call Him a murderer and forget that He gives eternal life to the child, that is where atheist go wrong, they pick out what they want to believe about God and not understand that there is much more to Him than they want to believe. I could say more about this but for now I'll leave it alone.
You do not know what the smell of blood means because you do not know what the Bible teaches. You are clueless to the fact that the blood represents the forgiveness of sin and it is this forgiveness that God loves. Before God scattered the Jewish people by allowing them to be conquered He told them He was tired of their sacrifices and He would not forgive them and hated the smells of the sacrifice. Essentially He was telling them they were wasting His time, their time and the lives of innocent animals and He was not going to help them through this again. You see my knowledge is more than cursory.
Chad32 Wrote:I'm a person with thoughts and feelings too. I know that change is a necessary thing, and if you refuse to change that's a flaw. Jealousy is also a flaw, by the way. Society has improved to the point where dictators are looked down upon. I was born in one that's supposed to encourage freedom of speech, where the people who run the country are supposed to be public servants, not rulers. Why shouldn't I air my thoughts, and give criticism to the character of Yahweh/Jehova? What sort of relationship are you guys trying to sell, that I'm expected to never question the other side?
Change is not necessary for a perfect being and neither is jealousy wrong for a perfect being. Now change is necessary for the flawed and jealousy can be wrong in a person if they act unjustly upon that jealousy. Hey listen I've questioned God, but knowing He is the perfect being I ask Him to show me the truth because I know I'm flawed in my understanding of what God has done or is doing. If God were the dictator you want to believe Him to be do you really believe He would stop tormenting you every minute of your life, do you really believe He would need a hell to do so, you should think this over carefully. An omnipotent God that has no controlling traits would be the worse thing ever, there would be no stopping Him and if He were the terrible, manipulative being you believe He is then life would never be worth living, this in itself should show you that there is a God and that He is who He says He is and that you are the one who is mistaken about Him in all areas.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
