Substitutionary Atonement! WTF?

[Chad32]

You would think that a smart person would make a world that was both harder to mess up, and easier to fix if it happened. But all it took was one thing going wrong, and thousand or millions of years later it still isn't fixed yet. So yeah, pretty big mess up, and it can't be all our fault at this point.

It is the responsible thing to to to take care of those who count on you for support. In fact, it should be a requirement. What's the point of worshiping a god, if my life doesn't improve in ways that can't be attributed to anything else? Because of an afterlife that can't be proven? There is no comparison between god and Humans, and a parent and child. This isn't about whether a parent disciplines their child enough. This is about taking care of the child. Not tossing them out into the world for disobeying once. Not blaming everything that goes wrong on the child. Not watching as horrible things happen that are out of that child's control. God is not our heavenly father. Otherwise someone needs to call CPS. Yes, it's up to us to fix these problems, because god can't be bothered to prove he exists, let alone take care of his flock. There will be that sort of choice because that's what free will entails. If there is no choice, there is no free will.

Being saved apparently means asking Jesus for forgiveneess in a serious manner. It can happen on your deathbed, regardless of any action you take. And even if Jesus did recommend acting right, it's obvious that faith trumps actions. Otherwise Jesus wouldn't be the only way into heaven. So yes, you can kill a bunch of saved kids to make sure they don't fall, and then pray to jesus on your deathbed. Or maybe you're right, and the one guy goes to hell safe in the knowledge that he made sure dozens or more people got into heaven in his place. That would be considered a noble sacrifice in the long run. Sort of like when Jesus dies, except even more of a sacrifice because the serial killer doesn't get to go to heaven a few days later. Also why be against abortion at all, then? They're unborn. They get a ticket right to heaven. So in the long run, what's the issue? I guarantee you there are devout christians somewhere that believe just as hard that you have it all wrong, as you believe I have it all wrong. And they read the same bible you do.

There are factual things in the bible, but also many nonfactual and contradictory things. Yes, there are contradictions. It's an easy thing to google.

Yes, Jesus had something to say about thoughts being bad. The old testament also condemns thoughts, as in the tenth commandment. And you must believe killing is good sometimes, because your god has a high kill count and you think he's perfect and righteous.

People can be jealous for multiple reasons, but it stems from a mental weakness. If I had a son, and saw him give a telephone pole a hug and a gift, I'd find it funny. And then start asking myself what is this kid getting from an inanimate object that he isn't getting from me, because if he's being serious, then I'm not being a good and faithful father. I wouldn't be jealous of a telephone pole. That would be idiotic.

There are lots of starving children all around the world that can't get a decent meal, and some of them are likely the children of christians. But I'll bet there are people in NOKO that work directly under Kim that think life is ok. Also god does play favorites. He is supposed to have a chosen people, which is kind of the definition of playing favorites.