Substitutionary Atonement! WTF?

[Chad32]

Actually we've improved quite a bit over a long time. If anything has been holding us back, it's religions such as christianity. I don't see any plan of your god coming to fruition. What exactly is this game plan? from what I hear, he wants everyone to get into heaven, yet the road to heaven is narrow. So that part of the plan isn't coming to fruition. The best places in the world tend to be secular social democracies, which is a far cry from what god would want. God doesn't fix problems. He just destroys things until something resembling what he wants comes out temporarily.

Look at his actual track record. He's running heaven, when suddenly a third of the population rebels, and he has to kick them out. He makes Eden, but one disobedient act screws everything up. It gets bad enough that he floods the world, sabe for his chosen eight. 150 years later, they build a tower he doesn't like, so he tears it down. He spends a while having different tribes of people destroyed, which never really fixes the problem. His last attempt is sending Jesus down, who admits that this plan isn't going to get the majority of Humanity into heaven, let alone all of them. If nothing god has done has worked so far, what makes you think it will in the future?

 Society is falling apart across the world, nearly every country lives with the fear and or threat of terrorism, we live on the brink of nuclear war all the time, one little slip could bring us to nuclear disaster. Kids are killing kids at an alarming rate and it seems the world at large has no answer for this, the Christian community does but people just want listen.

You are blind just as the scriptures say of the lost. Here's one for you the scriptures said that Israel would be restore as a nation and it has and the world community was involved. No people have ever been reunite in to country where they were established after 2000 years of being scattered across the world. Yet we have Israel here today, well established and defeating their enemies at every turn. Those examples you listed are all free will choices by people, bad choices that God redirected to have man in the right place for His plan to redeem us. If not for Jesus no gentile would have made it into the Kingdom of God. Millions upon millions are now part of that kingdom and millions upon millions will be added, so it's many millions of time successful, and no matter what you believe you can't change it, unless you are willing for your name to be added to that list.

GC

The world is still vastly improved, even if we haven't gotten to a utopia yet. And typically the worst places in the world? Theocratic dictatorships. The most deeply religious places, even those with high percentages of christians, are not the best countries in the world to be in. so no, christians don't have an answer that others aren't listening to. Usually they're the ones holding back progress and prosperity.

Didn't that prophesy say King David would rule the country too? When is he coming back? The Israel prophesy isn't much better than the one about "there will be wars, and rumors of wars".

Millions upon millions. In a history that involves billions upon billions. That's not an impressive track record.