RE: Atheists are emotionally stronger than theists
June 21, 2018 at 11:17 am
(This post was last modified: June 21, 2018 at 11:20 am by RoadRunner79.)
(June 21, 2018 at 11:07 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: I'm an agnostic atheist overall, but I'm a gnostic atheist about certain proposed deities. I'm agnostic about the God of deism or Tezcatlipoca, my guess is that they're highly unlikely based on lack of evidence, but they're not married bachelors or square circles.
The properties attributed to the God of theodicy are contradictory, that God doesn't exist. Many of the deeds attributed to the God of Abraham did not actually happen (and Abraham probably was not a real person), so that God isn't real because there is no God that did those things that didn't happen.
But I'm not going to knock on people's doors about it, it's not like they'll be tortured forever if I can't get them to agree with me.
I normally try to only concern myself with claims within the context of the discussion. I think it's best not to make too many assumptions because someone calls themselves an atheist or theist. And I often feel that it's mostly a red herring, when people try to shift to some intrinsic claim based on the label.
(June 21, 2018 at 11:16 am)Crossless2.0 Wrote:(June 21, 2018 at 10:56 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: And I think that you understand; but again to clarify, when atheists are saying that it is "just a lack of belief" they are not saying anything about an objective truth, but only that they are merely not convinced. They are just providing information about their mental state on the matter and not claiming that anything is false. This would be a claim that would have a share in a burden of proof.
I tend to agree with this, insofar as atheism is presented as "just a lack of belief". However, I think atheism stands on firmer ground than that -- especially when dealing with historical claims (i.e., 'special revelation') or particular cosmologies derived from religious texts. But the atheist's burden of evidence, in these cases, is not provided by "atheism" but by commonly accepted standards of evidence in various relevant fields (e.g., archaeology, history, biology, etc.).
I don't think we are really disagreeing here. I'm just clarifying my stance.
I think that is the case for either theism or atheism when they are making claims. I was just poking fun at the "lack of belief" tactic of running away from claims. It's just a matter, that if you are asserting something as true, then it is reasonable for another to ask why.
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If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther