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Best Theistic Arguments
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(June 29, 2018 at 8:25 pm)sdelsolray Wrote:
(June 28, 2018 at 9:20 pm)JairCrawford Wrote: It's true I never properly studied probability. I was a music major haha. So perhaps a bad choice of wording.

However, I still stand by the evolution that led to us. Those are huge odds that innumerable species overcame to get to us. If any of our predecessors died out before we had a chance to evolve, that's it. All the way down to the bacteria from the beginning. They could have died out as well. I still find that absolutely mind blowing.

My undergraduate degree is in classical guitar performance, so I was also a music major.

I strongly suspect you are biasing your thinking with concepts of purpose, specific goals and special reference.  Note the several references to "we" and "us" bolded above in your post.  If you assume a certain end result of biological evolution, as if the purpose of it was to drive exclusively to "us", as if "we" were the sole goal of evolution and/or if you believe you are special, then you do not understand the biological theory of evolution, at least not completely.

Oh nice! I love the guitar. All kinds. It has such a great sound. Can't play it for the life of me though lol. My principal instrument was piano and organ was my secondary. I majored in composition.

I won't deny that there could be biases in my thinking. To be biased is to be human, after all. But the point I stress is, regardless of interpreting meaning into it, we are, as a matter of fact, here. There were processes that had to take place for the current state of things to exist. And the prospects of what had to take place, even within biology and natural selection, to get from point A to point B, are astonishing.
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