RE: Why believe the bible?
July 9, 2018 at 9:14 am
(This post was last modified: July 9, 2018 at 9:14 am by I_am_not_mafia.)
(July 2, 2018 at 6:58 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I didn't ignore anything, I didn't think it was necessary to explain how "building blocks of morality" do not equate to 'morality'.
Oh really? So at what point do the building blocks develop sufficiently to be called morality? How do we quantify morality? Who decides what this arbitrary threshold is?
You're falling into binary religious thinking again and hiding behind equivocable definitions like a true theist.
(July 2, 2018 at 6:58 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Could you even define what a "building block of morality" even is in the first place?
Far better than you ever could because I recognise that morality is derived from our evolved human instincts concerning pack behaviour.
(July 2, 2018 at 6:58 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Morality isn't just the ability to discern right and wrong, it's also about having a system of justice to punish immoral behavior.
Law defines immoral or unacceptable behavior, without law there can be no morality (or at least morality that isn't subjective) because morality isn't left up for one person to decide.
This is what differentiates us from animals.
But bad behaviour can be punished through other means (e.g. ostracisation) and good behaviour can be rewarded (willing to help someone who has exhibited good behaviour). This has happened throughout human history where there are no explicit laws and happens today in modern society in situations where law does not apply.
And this is what the animals are doing in De Waals video. The law just makes this code of conduct explicit.
If it was as you described, then a small community of survivors cast away on a desert island would not be able to be moral until they had devised laws to stop themselves committing heinous and selfish acts. If you think this is so, then explain why laws were invented. How could a community without laws create laws if they did not already have a sense of morality?
(July 9, 2018 at 12:22 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Morality isn't defined in degrees, either something is immoral or it isn't.
Binary religious thinking.