RE: What is wrong with FW?
July 23, 2018 at 9:41 am
(This post was last modified: July 23, 2018 at 9:45 am by Whateverist.)
(July 23, 2018 at 5:51 am)Little Rik Wrote:(July 22, 2018 at 12:30 pm)Whateverist Wrote: I'd like to buy a clue. What specifically do you have in mind when you say "free will"?
FW allow humans to decide what to do and these doing produce reactions which can be positive or negative.
Most rabid non-FW'ers I hear from online wouldn't have any trouble conceding that humans do at least some times get to decide some things. Of course when we do the deciding consciously like that we do so according to preferences and dispositions which we do not choose. That isn't enough freedom for some but I personally have no objection on that account. Suffice to say there is something about human subjective experience which certainly feels like free will. For argument's sake I'm inclined to give it to you.
(July 23, 2018 at 5:51 am)Little Rik Wrote: Atheists despite the fact that they do not believe in God keep on blaming God for all suffering.
Beside the fact that is highly stupid blaming someone that according to them does not exist is also more stupid to pretend that our actions suppose not to create any reactions.
I can't speak for others since, as you know, there is no dogma to be found in common among all who do not believe in your or their God/gods. But I don't think any atheists actually blames the God which they do not believe exists for anything. When they tell you the God described in the bible is a sadistic and destructive tyrant, they are addressing the hypothetical represented by the character of Jehovah as it is developed in the stories in that book. They're saying, even if the petty, vindictive sucker described in the bible existed, it would not be worthy of worship or love, the polar opposite of omni=benevolent.
But that is not the reason rational people do not believe in such things. The lack of belief comes first. Addressing the absurdity of describing that book's creator as kind and loving merely addresses what looks to us as an internal inconsistency, as one might do for a character in any other book of fiction. I hope that clears it up for you, Rik.
(July 23, 2018 at 5:51 am)Little Rik Wrote: To summarize we are I AM dealing with total and utter madnessthat is why I started this thread.
Fixed that for you with my bolding. I hope you're getting help with this.
