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Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought
(August 6, 2018 at 1:44 pm)SteveII Wrote: See red. There is no possible way you can get this out of Paul's writing. The passage you quoted shows Paul's dedication to his cause. It in no way discusses value of people. These verses discuss value:

Quote:Romans 6:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
I see something about a gift..what inherent value of man is discussed here?

Quote:Romans 5:8 New International Version (NIV)
8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Here it tells us that we are still in whatever state necessitated salvation..and that something has been done for us.  Again..what value of man..where?

Quote:Ephesians 2:4-5 New International Version (NIV)
4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.
A god loves us and has mercy.....but...value?

Quote:Galatians 2:20 ESV 
I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
Apparently this guys been possessed......but again I'm not seeing what cvalue you think is being communicated.

Perhaps you could just tell someone..anyone..even yourself, what -you- think magic book is saying, in any of this..about -our intrinsic value-.  I'm glad it's christmas and were gonna get gifts we don't deserve...but so what?

Quote:IN addition to explicit references to value, you have very clear implicit reasons.
Which ones..where?

Quote:Paul specifically passed on the Jewish worldview as the basic framework that Jesus fit into. He had something like 183 references to the OT. Including in the Jewish worldview was that God created the world, man was the pinnacle of his creation (Genesis, Psalm 8), all the world would be blessed through the Messiah. The Law was made to show that we cannot succeed in holiness under our own steam. God provided himself to redeem us. There is no other way to read this story than to infer tremendous value on humanity.
A profession of extrinsic value and the instrumental goods used in order to achieve it categorically isn't inherent value.  It's the antithesis of inherent value.

I think you might simply be confused regarding the terms themselves.  This was all covered in the links.

Perhaps you're imagining that god must love us because we have some undisclosed intrinsic value? There's nothing in magic book about that, in magic book..we -are- an instrumental good, for god. Your modern secular education has convinced you that we have intrinsic value..and you're looking to stuff that into magic book just like your forebears stuffed hellenist value ethics into magic book.
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Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by SteveII - July 25, 2018 at 10:13 am
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by SteveII - August 6, 2018 at 1:44 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Brian37 - July 29, 2018 at 12:21 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Amarok - July 31, 2018 at 12:03 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Amarok - July 31, 2018 at 10:15 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Jehanne - August 1, 2018 at 10:47 am
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Jehanne - August 1, 2018 at 11:16 am
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Jehanne - August 1, 2018 at 11:41 am
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Amarok - August 1, 2018 at 12:02 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Jehanne - August 1, 2018 at 12:51 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Jehanne - August 1, 2018 at 1:00 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Jehanne - August 1, 2018 at 3:05 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Amarok - August 1, 2018 at 3:15 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Amarok - August 1, 2018 at 1:05 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Amarok - August 1, 2018 at 1:29 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Amarok - August 1, 2018 at 1:39 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Amarok - August 1, 2018 at 1:55 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Amarok - August 1, 2018 at 2:09 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Amarok - August 1, 2018 at 2:57 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Amarok - August 1, 2018 at 3:23 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Jehanne - August 1, 2018 at 3:20 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Amarok - August 1, 2018 at 3:38 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Amarok - August 1, 2018 at 4:03 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Jehanne - August 1, 2018 at 4:28 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by SteveII - August 1, 2018 at 5:01 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Jehanne - August 1, 2018 at 9:27 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Amarok - August 1, 2018 at 4:34 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Amarok - August 1, 2018 at 5:03 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Amarok - August 1, 2018 at 10:18 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by SteveII - August 2, 2018 at 10:32 am
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Succubus - August 2, 2018 at 12:41 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by SteveII - August 2, 2018 at 12:46 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Jehanne - August 2, 2018 at 2:21 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Brian37 - August 2, 2018 at 12:06 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by SteveII - August 2, 2018 at 12:10 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Brian37 - August 2, 2018 at 12:17 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Brian37 - August 2, 2018 at 12:46 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by SteveII - August 3, 2018 at 12:57 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Brian37 - August 2, 2018 at 12:58 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Brian37 - August 2, 2018 at 2:25 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by SteveII - August 2, 2018 at 4:42 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Amarok - August 2, 2018 at 4:20 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Amarok - August 2, 2018 at 4:30 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Amarok - August 2, 2018 at 4:41 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Amarok - August 2, 2018 at 4:56 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by Amarok - August 2, 2018 at 5:20 pm
RE: Paul's Writings Underpin Western Thought - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2018 at 1:54 pm

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