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The death penalty makes no sense.
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
(August 15, 2018 at 1:55 pm)mlmooney89 Wrote: I could care less if it's revenge driven. Y'all say that like it should change my mind.

Well..no, because the death penalty doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you can or will or want to change your mind.  If you continued to feel about it the same way you do from now until the day you die that won't actually effect whether or not the death penalty makes sense, is morally acceptable, or is just.  

Quote:I'm not above saying the death penalty is flawed and needs a serious overall but I don't want to get rid of it. I want the person who is witnessed by cameras or lots of people killing others to die. The kid that shot up the Aurora movie theater- kill him. The person that shot up Los Vegas during the concerts- kill em. Guy that shot up the church? Kill em. Guy that killed everyone from the UT tower? Kill em. (Yes I know most of people in these situations end up dead by either self inflicted GSW or are brought down before the end of the stand off but for those that aren't) Have pictures of yourself with your victims' body for your sick photo album? Get caught red handed? Kill the sick fucks. You will not sway my mind with "justice".
You can want a person to die from here to eternity....that doesn't have much to do with whether or not we should kill them.  Our bloodlust is not a compelling reason to make the state into an executioner. We can acknowledge the former without engaging in the latter. The death penalty is part of our system of justice...saying that justice doesn't sway you in a discussion on how we mete out justice entirely cedes the ground. What you are expressing is premeditation, what you are displaying is malice aforethought. You want to murder the murderer..but if murderers should be murdered........you can see how this all starts to spiral in on itself?

I also enjoy it when assholes get got. Unlike many people who have a similar personal experience..I'm actually willing to do the work...but I can still understand why it's not the brightest or best idea we've ever had. To the extent that anyone would want to change your mind about this..they're probably operating on the assumption that you are more morally bound, more just, and more sensible in this than your opinions on the subject might at first suggest. They're not trying to get you to feel differently about these people, they're trying to bring you to your own understanding of how and why it's a bad idea regardless of how we feel about it.
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The death penalty makes no sense. - by Jehanne - August 14, 2018 at 9:25 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Cyberman - August 14, 2018 at 9:28 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Jehanne - August 14, 2018 at 9:31 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Joods - August 14, 2018 at 11:51 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by downbeatplumb - August 14, 2018 at 12:59 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by SaStrike - August 15, 2018 at 5:09 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Anomalocaris - August 15, 2018 at 5:15 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 15, 2018 at 5:22 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Cyberman - August 16, 2018 at 1:16 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by SaStrike - August 16, 2018 at 1:57 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Cyberman - August 16, 2018 at 2:49 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Silver - August 14, 2018 at 9:30 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by LadyForCamus - August 14, 2018 at 9:50 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Jehanne - August 14, 2018 at 10:22 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Ravenshire - August 14, 2018 at 10:20 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Brian37 - August 14, 2018 at 12:00 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by John V - August 14, 2018 at 12:01 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Anomalocaris - August 14, 2018 at 12:05 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Ravenshire - August 14, 2018 at 12:31 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Anomalocaris - August 14, 2018 at 1:07 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Jehanne - August 14, 2018 at 1:12 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Minimalist - August 14, 2018 at 3:20 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by vulcanlogician - August 14, 2018 at 6:27 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Brian37 - August 15, 2018 at 12:39 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by robvalue - August 14, 2018 at 12:11 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Brian37 - August 14, 2018 at 12:16 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2018 at 12:29 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by robvalue - August 15, 2018 at 1:56 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 15, 2018 at 3:29 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Jehanne - August 15, 2018 at 7:02 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 15, 2018 at 7:12 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by robvalue - August 16, 2018 at 9:38 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Chad32 - August 14, 2018 at 12:57 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by mlmooney89 - August 14, 2018 at 2:54 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Jehanne - August 14, 2018 at 5:04 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Anomalocaris - August 14, 2018 at 5:47 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Brian37 - August 15, 2018 at 8:57 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Javaman - August 14, 2018 at 5:57 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by vulcanlogician - August 14, 2018 at 6:18 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Javaman - August 14, 2018 at 7:02 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by brewer - August 14, 2018 at 6:27 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Chad32 - August 14, 2018 at 6:43 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Minimalist - August 14, 2018 at 6:56 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Anomalocaris - August 14, 2018 at 8:28 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by LadyForCamus - August 14, 2018 at 9:49 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Anomalocaris - August 14, 2018 at 10:08 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 15, 2018 at 12:01 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by LadyForCamus - August 15, 2018 at 11:39 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Brian37 - August 15, 2018 at 11:51 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by LadyForCamus - August 15, 2018 at 12:09 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 15, 2018 at 4:01 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by LadyForCamus - August 15, 2018 at 4:52 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 15, 2018 at 5:20 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by LadyForCamus - August 15, 2018 at 9:55 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by LadyForCamus - August 16, 2018 at 10:18 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Silver - August 16, 2018 at 10:24 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Anomalocaris - August 16, 2018 at 10:58 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by LadyForCamus - August 14, 2018 at 9:57 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2018 at 10:01 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by LadyForCamus - August 14, 2018 at 10:23 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2018 at 10:25 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 14, 2018 at 11:48 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Anomalocaris - August 14, 2018 at 11:55 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 14, 2018 at 11:57 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2018 at 11:49 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 14, 2018 at 11:51 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Cyberman - August 15, 2018 at 12:25 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Ravenshire - August 15, 2018 at 12:54 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Cyberman - August 15, 2018 at 1:09 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 15, 2018 at 4:58 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2018 at 11:52 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 14, 2018 at 11:56 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Anomalocaris - August 14, 2018 at 11:58 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2018 at 11:58 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 15, 2018 at 12:00 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Anomalocaris - August 15, 2018 at 12:17 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 15, 2018 at 12:58 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Cyberman - August 15, 2018 at 2:38 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Aegon - August 15, 2018 at 8:36 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Brian37 - August 15, 2018 at 12:13 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by vulcanlogician - August 15, 2018 at 12:31 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by mlmooney89 - August 15, 2018 at 1:55 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Angrboda - August 15, 2018 at 2:48 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Jehanne - August 15, 2018 at 3:32 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Brian37 - August 15, 2018 at 3:36 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 15, 2018 at 8:30 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Angrboda - August 16, 2018 at 9:16 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 16, 2018 at 1:49 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Angrboda - August 16, 2018 at 1:52 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 16, 2018 at 2:16 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 15, 2018 at 1:58 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by mlmooney89 - August 15, 2018 at 2:04 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Cyberman - August 15, 2018 at 2:58 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by mlmooney89 - August 15, 2018 at 4:19 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 15, 2018 at 4:22 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Nay_Sayer - August 15, 2018 at 9:58 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 15, 2018 at 10:13 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 15, 2018 at 10:23 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 15, 2018 at 10:35 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Nay_Sayer - August 16, 2018 at 5:19 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 15, 2018 at 10:47 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 15, 2018 at 11:16 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 16, 2018 at 12:43 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 16, 2018 at 12:58 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 16, 2018 at 1:43 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 16, 2018 at 5:12 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Angrboda - August 16, 2018 at 1:48 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Jehanne - August 16, 2018 at 4:10 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Angrboda - August 16, 2018 at 7:05 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Jehanne - August 17, 2018 at 4:13 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 15, 2018 at 10:50 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 16, 2018 at 12:51 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by snowtracks - August 16, 2018 at 1:21 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 16, 2018 at 2:03 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 16, 2018 at 2:53 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Jehanne - August 16, 2018 at 6:47 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Cyberman - August 16, 2018 at 2:58 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Silver - August 16, 2018 at 9:40 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Silver - August 16, 2018 at 9:53 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Chad32 - August 16, 2018 at 10:06 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Silver - August 16, 2018 at 9:59 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 16, 2018 at 10:01 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 16, 2018 at 10:08 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 16, 2018 at 10:24 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by LadyForCamus - August 16, 2018 at 10:59 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Mister Agenda - August 16, 2018 at 10:30 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by robvalue - August 16, 2018 at 11:28 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 16, 2018 at 11:34 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Silver - August 16, 2018 at 11:36 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 16, 2018 at 11:39 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Silver - August 16, 2018 at 11:41 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 16, 2018 at 11:42 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Silver - August 16, 2018 at 11:43 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 16, 2018 at 11:44 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Silver - August 16, 2018 at 11:47 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Silver - August 16, 2018 at 2:17 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Brian37 - August 16, 2018 at 4:06 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Brian37 - August 16, 2018 at 5:24 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 16, 2018 at 5:27 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 16, 2018 at 6:01 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Cyberman - August 16, 2018 at 8:19 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 16, 2018 at 8:43 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 16, 2018 at 10:04 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 16, 2018 at 10:42 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 16, 2018 at 10:56 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 16, 2018 at 11:09 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 16, 2018 at 11:19 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by LadyForCamus - August 16, 2018 at 11:29 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 16, 2018 at 10:44 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 16, 2018 at 11:23 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 16, 2018 at 11:24 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 16, 2018 at 11:32 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by LadyForCamus - August 16, 2018 at 11:50 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 16, 2018 at 11:32 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 16, 2018 at 11:39 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 16, 2018 at 11:46 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by LadyForCamus - August 16, 2018 at 11:49 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 16, 2018 at 11:45 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 16, 2018 at 11:47 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Cyberman - August 17, 2018 at 1:28 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 16, 2018 at 11:50 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by LadyForCamus - August 16, 2018 at 11:51 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 16, 2018 at 11:53 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 16, 2018 at 11:54 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 16, 2018 at 11:50 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 16, 2018 at 11:52 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 16, 2018 at 11:56 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 16, 2018 at 11:59 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 17, 2018 at 12:03 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 16, 2018 at 11:53 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by LadyForCamus - August 16, 2018 at 11:57 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Anomalocaris - August 17, 2018 at 12:03 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by LadyForCamus - August 17, 2018 at 12:10 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Anomalocaris - August 17, 2018 at 1:30 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 16, 2018 at 11:55 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 16, 2018 at 11:58 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 16, 2018 at 11:56 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 17, 2018 at 12:00 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 17, 2018 at 12:03 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 16, 2018 at 11:59 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 17, 2018 at 12:00 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2018 at 12:02 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 17, 2018 at 12:30 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 17, 2018 at 12:06 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Valkyrie - August 17, 2018 at 12:45 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 17, 2018 at 12:12 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2018 at 12:12 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 17, 2018 at 12:13 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2018 at 12:32 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 17, 2018 at 12:36 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Amarok - August 17, 2018 at 1:01 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Angrboda - August 17, 2018 at 6:52 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Jehanne - August 17, 2018 at 7:11 am
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by LadyForCamus - August 17, 2018 at 12:52 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by Anomalocaris - August 17, 2018 at 1:11 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2018 at 12:58 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by LadyForCamus - August 17, 2018 at 3:11 pm
RE: The death penalty makes no sense. - by LadyForCamus - August 17, 2018 at 3:34 pm

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