Peterson's 12 Rules For Life, have you heard of this?

[bennyboy]

I know you don't think so..but just as with the peterson song and dance..you've been shown that you are.  I'm not telling you that both sides do it, that the right wing is also full of nut jobs..I'm telling you that your appraisal of the pc left is the -doing- of right wing nutjobs.  The example of peterson is a prime case.

I don't doubt that you've met fart sniffers who..to you, typify some leftist ideology.  It's your classification itself that's at issue, not that you've met assholes.  

Now...you've linked a definition of pc..and you've defined identity politics as you see it..but there's no obvious connection between the those two..whereas your categorization of the pc left is explicitly and undeniably identical to your definition of identity politics.  I know, I know, you mentioned pages ago you weren't worried about being a hypocrite..but I'm not calling you a hypocrite here, because that would imply that the other guys are doing it to...which they aren't.

I'm telling you that I arrived at my position on the PC left before I'd ever heard the term "PC left." You've done this before, and often-- pretended you think I'm a swell guy, but I've fallen prey to the persuasions of the (right-wing / religious "woo" / fill-in-the-blank). Fuck off with that. I've been pretty clear in expressing why I dislike this particular political ideology, and why I feel I've come by it honestly. The only thing that's new is that I hadn't heard the expression "identity politics" before I heard Peterson use it. But since that term, and its definition, accords fine with what I already thought, then what of it?

Identity politics is politics around demographics groups, specifically about maintaining the rights of those groups. This is, exactly, the definition of PC. PC of the left, at least as it stands today, is identity politics around perceived minority demographics-- for example, natives or transgender people-- as opposed to the majority-- say white people, or men.

I do not doubt that there is a sincere and noble interest at the root of the PC left-- certainly, helping people who lack the political clout to stand up for themselves must be considered a great good. However, when the demographic view of humanity is insistently and repeatedly brought down to the individual level, then this spawns great unfairness.

You revealed this view of the PC left perfectly well in this thread. I was telling you about the individual conflicts which I'd had, in which case I was unfairly accused of being on the wrong side of identity demographics, and which pissed me off because in a 1:1 argument, in those moments, only an insane person could think that I was anything but all kinds of right, on every level. You eventually just said those people are assholes, and they don't represent the PC left. But your FIRST response, the response conditioned in you by the influences on YOUR world view which you've been all too willing to swallow whole-sale without considering their real-life consequences was this: wwwahhhhhh, cry me a river, it's so hard being a white man.

Now, I've already pointed this out. I consider you overall more thoughtful and intelligent than the average Joe I might meet. Therefore, if your conditioned world view leads you to instinctively respond in such a dismissive way, then where am I to think this comes from? While you deny it due to the No True Scotsman rule, your first response was to do exactly, and I mean EXACTLY, what the PC left as I see it do: ignore the individual, and favor the member of the demographic group which has the PC left stamp of approval.

That, exactly, is identity politics. And that's why you're wrong to hold them-- because individuality matters infinitely more than group identity, but you're too lazy to consider the merits of individual cases-- at least at first.

The irony is that "demographic identity" is pretty much part and parcel with stereotyping. You stereotyped me as a privileged member of society for no other reason than the color of my skin. How unjust and intellectually lazy that is-- since even among your millions of close personal black friends, you'd not find that many who grew up as I grew up.