(August 22, 2018 at 11:51 am)Huggy74 Wrote:(August 22, 2018 at 10:02 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Theists will argue, in defense of changing mores with regard to, say, slavery, that there being a source of moral values doesn't necessarily imply that we will have an unfailing ability to determine what those values are. The former is a question of moral ontology rather than moral epistemology. That there are varying opinions about what is moral does not imply that there is no such thing as a moral truth. Both theists and atheists make this point, so your questions are unenlightening. Moreover, if morality is relative rather than objective, morals may change over time or among different contexts. That doesn't mean that there isn't a source of morality underlying their determinations. Perhaps what you mean to say is that atheist morals are arbitrary. That may be the case, but even if so, they are no less arbitrary than the morals of a theist whose God pulled his or her specific moral rules out of their ass.
Christian moral code:
1 Love God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength
2 Love thy neighbour as thyself.
There is none other commandment greater than these. - Mark 12-31
Do you have a problem with the above?
Do you understand what the word 'arbitrary' even means? Whether I have a problem with either of them is irrelevant to the question of where these morals come from. You asked where atheist morals come from, and I'm asking you where God's morals come from. Where, besides his ass, did God derive the morals he advocates from?
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